RAND KILLED IT!

[JK/SEA]

No, I would be satisfied with him showing up properly dressed and groomed and acting prepared. Even when a question was addressed directly to him, he looked surprised, like a kid caught sleeping in class.

at least Rand didn't look all sweaty and tired like everyone else...

 

[RabbitMan]

exceeded expectations. I have been looking at the twitter comments and they are mostly positive

Isn't that weird? I thought he was either adequate or really good throughout the entire debate. Most Facebook comments that thought to include him mentioned how he was the least worst, or an exception to the terrible clown car.

His comments on foreign policy were sharp and thoughtful.
His comments on drug policy were pointed and substantial.

And then?

Almost zero mentions in post debate coverage. Any mention is negative, and that he lost the debate.

Am I breathing different air? What is going on?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

No, I would be satisfied with him showing up properly dressed and groomed and acting prepared. Even when a question was addressed directly to him, he looked surprised, like a kid caught sleeping in class.

Come on, don't be so negative. There is no reason for it.
Rand did well, he wasn't asleep, I don't want to say this but you sound just like the media.

 

[69360]

He didn't win, he didn't kill it. He went out there and did exactly what he needed to do, just be himself and ended the pretending to be a neocon strategy. He sounded a lot like his dad.

If he keeps this up, runs a respectable race, sounds reasonable at all times he will be positioned well for 2020. I can't see Rand winning this but once Trumps implodes and drops out and all those idiots fall apart, Rand will probably be top 3 or 4.

 

[acptulsa]

Isn't that weird? I thought he was either adequate or really good throughout the entire debate. Most Facebook comments that thought to include him mentioned how he was the least worst, or an exception to the terrible clown car.

His comments on foreign policy were sharp and thoughtful.
His comments on drug policy were pointed and substantial.

And then?

Almost zero mentions in post debate coverage. Any mention is negative, and that he lost the debate.

Am I breathing different air? What is going on?

He Who Must Not Be Named must not be praised.

I can't see Rand winning this...

Can't you?

You can't see that conservatives are finally getting sick of Fox telling them how to lose? You can't see that Republicans with brains may be sick of the Trump chumps, but they're finally starting to see how they're being manipulated--and seeing how is but a few little baby steps from seeing why they're being manipulated that way?

Fox is lynching itself. All we need to do is slap their horse's rump and they'll be left dangling.

If we get the vision and make enough noise, we can tap into the general dissatisfaction. We've got the only one who can beat the Democrat, no matter who it is. If we want to play chess with the big boys, we're in the perfect place to do it. But we have to do what the chess masters do, and 'seize the initiative'.

It only takes a few of the Official Talking Heads deciding that their reputations mean something to them and jumping off the bandwagon for lots and lots of people to be weaned from The Official Line. Keep laughing at the media for things like this. That's all we have to do.

 

[CPUd]

Isn't that weird? I thought he was either adequate or really good throughout the entire debate. Most Facebook comments that thought to include him mentioned how he was the least worst, or an exception to the terrible clown car.

His comments on foreign policy were sharp and thoughtful.
His comments on drug policy were pointed and substantial.

And then?

Almost zero mentions in post debate coverage. Any mention is negative, and that he lost the debate.

Am I breathing different air? What is going on?

Pundits and early press are going by the live audience reaction. This is the same crowd who cheered when Jeb said his brother kept America safe after 9/11.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Pundits and early press are going by the live audience reaction. This is the same crowd who cheered when Jeb said his brother kept America safe after 9/11.

That audience packing is exactly how the elite-controlled media arranges things, to give them cover to bury candidates or positions they don't favor. If the room was packed more with Paul supporters, it would have been more awkward for the press to ignore him. Whereas you saw the true (positive) reaction to Rand on Twitter and other social media, which are more controlled by the public. In general, CNN has always been more clever in how they manipulate 'setting the table' to promote the establishment agenda.

 

[Liberty74]

Indeed it has been a long day. Saying Rand killed the debate is dramatically overreacting. Nowhere close to winning the debate. He may well have won the hearts and minds of some voters, but I don't think he won the debate.

What debate? That was a debate?

Nothing philosophical or intellectual came out of anyone's mouth except Rand's. Rand was the only one looking and sounding Presidential without pounding his fist yelling WAR WAR WAR. Trump said nothing of substance, he's all school kid brat style which some like but I bet his numbers take a hit. The news will report and the sheep will look for a new home. Hello I want war Carly.

 

[65fastback2+2]

i wouldnt come close to saying he killed it...at all.

however, if his strategy from the last debate and this one is what I think it is, it was genius.


First debate: be the first out of the gate to punch trump in the mouth
Between debates: talk about how he's coming out firing with both cannons and ready to rumble
Second debate: watch every other candidate scramble to punch trump in the mouth and sit back and watch

 

[limequat]

i wouldnt come close to saying he killed it...at all.

however, if his strategy from the last debate and this one is what I think it is, it was genius.


First debate: be the first out of the gate to punch trump in the mouth
Between debates: talk about how he's coming out firing with both cannons and ready to rumble
Second debate: watch every other candidate scramble to punch trump in the mouth and sit back and watch

You got it. Everyone else got trolled.

 

[klamath]

Come on. Winning a debate is more than not shooting yourself in the foot. Everyone was so well prepared and aggressive, even when Rand was asked a direct question in follow up to the exchange on vaccines, he looked totally surprised and said, "Second opinion?" Haha. Then he mumbled something about having the right blah blah blah. Nothing memorable.

Some of you might think Rand won this debate. That would be overreacting. I've been in the Rand camp for a while. I'm second guessing.

Bullshit. you have been in Trumps camp. Rand made his points solid however to a war eager party the message is not welcome. Now back to your trumpstering.

 

[65fastback2+2]

You got it. Everyone else got trolled.

IF he planned to troll them, then great, mission accomplished and it worked.

IF he didnt...then I am very confused and need to know WTH is he thinking and doing that is similar to a drunk person

 

[Corto_Maltese]

I totally agree. Was beginning to lose faith in him. Now build on this!

 

[fcreature]

Rand did very well IMO. He was definitely one of the winners of the debate, however don't expect the media to portray that. They're going into full blackout mode. It doesn't matter though. Rand did what he had to do, he differentiated himself from the rest of the candidates and showed everyone watching the debate that he is the sensible anti-war candidate. Hopefully we see his base strengthen now with some of Rand's more hesitant and libertarian minded supporters.

I expect to see his polling remain steady with a small show of strengthening. We're going to see the obvious pushing of Carly Fiorina. I think this debate took a bit of steam out of Trump but didn't destroy him. We really need to start seeing some people drop out. The only way we win the nomination is by emerging from the crowded field as the mature, anti-establishment option. For that to happen we need some people to drop out.

 

[65fastback2+2]

it'll take 2-3 more months of trump shooting off his mouth to get his poll numbers to plummet like we'd all prefer. just need some patience.

 

[liveandletlive]

Rand looked more dignified than Ted Cruz who licked Donald's boots all night. disgusting. what an ivy league dork, i cant believe i had respect for the guy.

 

[libertyplz]

he looked totally surprised and said, "Second opinion?" Haha. Then he mumbled something about having the right blah blah blah. Nothing memorable.

That was clearly a joke, you never heard of people seeking a second opinion from a doctor regarding medical advice? The question was first posed to Carson (a doctor), and then to Rand ( a doctor), it was just Rand trying to make a quick joke.

As to the debate performance itself, I agree in that I didn't think Rand killed it or was the best. I think Rand did good, but I thnk he was a bit too passive this debate, I think there is a nice middle ground somewhere between the first two that he can hopefully find. Another critique I have is that I think some of his answers could have been more enthusiastic, such as his tax answer. Kind of a 'what you say and how you say it' situation. I think what Rand said in the debate for the most part was great, I think the "how", as in how he presents his thoughts (tone of voice and body language), could see some improvement for some of his answers. Overall though, I'm happy with Rand's debate performance. I think his answers to foreign policy and war on drugs could help recover some that voted Ron Paul but haven't carried over to Rand.

 

[Lightweis]

Hmm if Rand killed it, his moneybomb wouldn't be stuck in the mud. 22 k is barely above average for any day.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Hmm if Rand killed it, his moneybomb wouldn't be stuck in the mud. 22 k is barely above average for any day.

Oh hell, I didn't realize the day was over already! Or I didn't realize that money bombs, whether started by the campaign or grassroots, don't have a set amount of what they're supposedly going to reach, whether by start, mid, or end of day.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Hmm if Rand killed it, his moneybomb wouldn't be stuck in the mud. 22 k is barely above average for any day.

We had some nice conversations around the 2012 election. I frankly don't really understand why you are coming from this angle. There's nothing wrong with legitimate criticism but your tone doesn't strike me as very supportive. I could be wrong and I don't want this to be a personal attack. We need some positivity, that's more valuable than a couple coins. If we don't believe he can win, he never will. It is about psychology just as much as money.

In any case, objectively, he was in the middle at yesterday's debate when it comes to airtime. His answers were good. Again, legitimate criticism is fine but I have barely woken up after watching the debate yesterday so I think it's a little bit too early to judge his success based on after-debate fundraising.