Rand is still our best shot for 2020.

[Anti-Neocon]

The Trump people really can't stand government, and they are just channeling their anger out through a counter-intuitive outlet.

Rand's Black Lives Matter campaign was a disaster but he saved face and will be a US Senator not running for re-election in 2020. If he makes the appropriate messaging adjustments, he can prove how he is the most anti-government of all the candidates and win over the Trump base of 2016.

I've been reading people suggest Amash, and while I do love the work he is doing, he hasn't shown any ability to expand outside of a libertarian base. He is no more charismatic than Rand, and Rand is still a much higher profile political figure.

To accomplish this, we should probably want Trump to lose the nomination and then obviously the GOP nominee to lose to a Democrat. That way the idea of an anti-establishment figure being the ideal nominee will still be alive and the current Trump base will still be angry and exploitable.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

He has said before that he isn't running again. Who knows. I certainly hope he will. 20/20 with Rand in 2020..

 

[Anti-Neocon]

He has said before that he isn't running again. Who knows. I certainly hope he will. 20/20 with Rand in 2020..

Maybe we can start a Draft Rand movement. Draft Ben Carson movement scammed people out of so many million of dollars, but this would actually be a worthwhile cause.

 

[openfire]

The Trump people really can't stand government, and they are just channeling their anger out through a counter-intuitive outlet.

Rand's Black Lives Matter campaign was a disaster but he saved face and will be a US Senator not running for re-election in 2020. If he makes the appropriate messaging adjustments, he can prove how he is the most anti-government of all the candidates and win over the Trump base of 2016.

I've been reading people suggest Amash, and while I do love the work he is doing, he hasn't shown any ability to expand outside of a libertarian base. He is no more charismatic than Rand, and Rand is still a much higher profile political figure.

To accomplish this, we should probably want Trump to lose the nomination and then obviously the GOP nominee to lose to a Democrat. That way the idea of an anti-establishment figure being the ideal nominee will still be alive and the current Trump base will still be angry and exploitable.

Good plan, except that this scenario entails losing SCOTUS and the with it, 2nd amendment and more...

 

[CPUd]

He has said before that he isn't running again. Who knows. I certainly hope he will. 20/20 with Rand in 2020..

He's going to say that for probably the next year or so. I think he'll eventually take another look at it, but ultimately decide not to unless they are practically guaranteeing him the nomination.

 

[thoughtomator]

Rand is not our best shot in 2020. He was our best shot in 2016 and performed about as poorly as he could have. It would be insane to back him again.

 

[Matt Collins]

Not happening, give it up.


If you want to do something productive, focus on your local and state level. That stuff is easy!

 

[William Tell]

He has said before that he isn't running again. Who knows. I certainly hope he will. 20/20 with Rand in 2020..

I don't doubt you, but I haven't heard him say that. I don't know if Rand has any chance, but I sure can't think of anyone else with enough connections to try running for President at this point.

 

[CaptUSA]

Good plan, except that this scenario entails losing SCOTUS and the with it, 2nd amendment and more...

Yeah, the SC was already lost when people started falling for the ruse of a carnival barker.

 

[jkob]

I think it is hurting the movement having it become too associated with a Paul perrenial candidacy. There has to be someone else, stop thinking about the presidency and start trying to get liberty friendly people into congress and on the state & local level so somebody can rise out of that.

 

[specsaregood]

He has said before that he isn't running again. Who knows. I certainly hope he will. 20/20 with Rand in 2020..

I think he means it. I mean he found out how all the people that should have allied and supported him were more than happy to backstab and attack him. Why on earth would he bother to give it another go? I mean the people he most aligns with worked to defeat his candidacy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think he means it. I mean he found out how all the people that should have allied and supported him were more than happy to backstab and attack him. Why on earth would he bother to give it another go? I mean the people he most aligns with worked to defeat his candidacy.

Oh jeez, not this whining and bitching again.

There are just as many people, me being one, who figure we (we meaning the grassroots, loose knit coalition of Ron Paul people) were the ones who got stabbed in the back, sacrificed on the alter of political expediency, for perceived short term gain, that proved to be worthless.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

If Donald Trump wins the election in November, Rand Paul could challenge him in the Republican primaries in 2020.

 

[William Tell]

Oh jeez, not this whining and bitching again.

There are just as many people, me being one, who figure we (we meaning the grassroots, loose knit coalition of Ron Paul people) were the ones who got stabbed in the back, sacrificed on the alter of political expediency, for perceived short term gain, that proved to be worthless.

You never stabbed him in the back, and anyone who says you did is an idiot. However, there are people who will tell you they loved Ron Paul, disliked Rand Paul, and are supporting in some cases, and at least applauding Trump of all people. It is insane.

Did Rand's campaign screw up? Yup. But the Voters and a significant portion of the grassroots has as well.

Not all of the grassroots, not even most. But a significant portion.

Basically, lots of people suck. Hopefully someday, like a blind hog we will find the acorn of liberty. But it will take a miracle.

 

[specsaregood]

Oh jeez, not this whining and bitching again.

There are just as many people, me being one, who figure we (we meaning the grassroots, loose knit coalition of Ron Paul people) were the ones who got stabbed in the back, sacrificed on the alter of political expediency, for perceived short term gain, that proved to be worthless.

Exactly, my point. I don't see why he would bother trying again. It just isn't worth it since it is hopeless anyways.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Exactly, my point. I don't see why he would bother trying again. It just isn't worth it since it is hopeless anyways.

Well, in that, we agree.

Not with this current crop of Boobus anyways.

 

[mit26chell]

Rand isn't going to happen, now, or ever. We have already seen that. He will remain in the Senate for one more term then go back to medicine. If he stays longer than two terms (or breaks whatever term limit he was advocating for) he is a hypocrite.

 

[dannno]

Rand isn't going to happen, now, or ever. We have already seen that. He will remain in the Senate for one more term then go back to medicine. If he stays longer than two terms (or breaks whatever term limit he was advocating for) he is a hypocrite.

I disagree.. if the authoritarians in congress are allowed to stay for more than 2 terms, then the liberty minded in congress should be allowed to stay until the new terms are adopted.

 

[fisharmor]

Oh jeez, not this whining and bitching again.

There are just as many people, me being one, who figure we (we meaning the grassroots, loose knit coalition of Ron Paul people) were the ones who got stabbed in the back, sacrificed on the alter of political expediency, for perceived short term gain, that proved to be worthless.

And I'm another.

It's not just Rand who is done. The movement is dead and has been for four years. Nothing and nobody is bringing it back, with one exception: the person who can figure out what it was that killed it, and who can avoid doing that thing.

 

[danda]

why not a rich libertarian instead? Somebody like Peter Thiel. Or Elon Musk.

Or famous, like Penn Gilette, or Drew Carey.