Rand is his dad

[William Tell]

Deal with it.

 

[Dr.3D]

Nothing to deal with here. I always knew that.

 

[dannno]

Same goal, different strategy.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I feel like he is having a change of strategy as of late. Getting into the Zeitgeist, if you will. Personally, I approve of the adjustment.

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[timosman]

They no longer can fuck with him.

 

[fr33]

But what will it accomplish? Do y'all ever apply hindsight to it? Remove emotions of giving The Man the finger. Rand should literally adopt his dad's strategy since education is all that's been accomplished. But tweak that strategy some because it's great if you're someone like Jesse Benton and make a few hundred grand off our donations, while there is almost nothing politically or in terms of halting the power of the state that has been done.

 

[Jesse James]

if Rand becomes his dad he won't be reelected.

 

[eleganz]

But what will it accomplish? Do y'all ever apply hindsight to it? Remove emotions of giving The Man the finger. Rand should literally adopt his dad's strategy since education is all that's been accomplished. But tweak that strategy some because it's great if you're someone like Jesse Benton and make a few hundred grand off our donations, while there is almost nothing politically or in terms of halting the power of the state that has been done.

You're missing the entire point. Why aren't you missing the point?

What Rand just accomplished, although a victory in a small battle in the grand scheme, but could very well lead to Ryan and Preibus losing their posts. Rand is playing in a game that is far from 'giving the man the finger'. Rand used 'The Art of the Deal' against Trump publicly without causing conflict with the President.

He's doing just fine, something much different than what Ron was capable of but keeping the heart of some of the things Ron wanted to do.

 

[timosman]

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT.

 

[merkelstan]

I don't agree. Rand should be using his seat to teach liberty and the high road. If the Senate were 50% Paulians then horse-trading / deal-making might be a reasonable tactic.

His wussiness was on full display during the primaries, and was the reason nobody at all supported him.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

I don't agree. Rand should be using his seat to teach liberty and the high road. If the Senate were 50% Paulians then horse-trading / deal-making might be a reasonable tactic.

His wussiness was on full display during the primaries, and was the reason nobody at all supported him.

He was stabbed in the back by people within the liberty movement. They jumped on the Trump train because he was louder than Rand and was getting more media attention.

 

[angelatc]

I don't agree. Rand should be using his seat to teach liberty and the high road. If the Senate were 50% Paulians then horse-trading / deal-making might be a reasonable tactic.

His wussiness was on full display during the primaries, and was the reason nobody at all supported him.

Screw that education crap. The purpose of politics isn't education.

 

[anaconda]

But what will it accomplish? Do y'all ever apply hindsight to it? Remove emotions of giving The Man the finger. Rand should literally adopt his dad's strategy since education is all that's been accomplished. But tweak that strategy some because it's great if you're someone like Jesse Benton and make a few hundred grand off our donations, while there is almost nothing politically or in terms of halting the power of the state that has been done.

I give the liberty movement a somewhat higher score. The reason there hasn't been more sweeping change has much to do with the fact that there are only about 5 liberty legislators out of 535. The monkey wrench that these 5 have managed to through into the gears of the machine is remarkable.

 

[eleganz]

I don't agree. Rand should be using his seat to teach liberty and the high road. If the Senate were 50% Paulians then horse-trading / deal-making might be a reasonable tactic.

His wussiness was on full display during the primaries, and was the reason nobody at all supported him.

Another one of those; "Rand should've been more like Trump" idiots.

There was plenty of support for Rand, he was top tier in fundraising and started off his campaign at the top, then came Trump. I see you're new here but know your sht before you make ridiculous statements.

 

[William Tell]

I don't agree. Rand should be using his seat to teach liberty and the high road. If the Senate were 50% Paulians then horse-trading / deal-making might be a reasonable tactic.

His wussiness was on full display during the primaries, and was the reason nobody at all supported him.

Neg repped. I supported him, who did you support?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Another one of those; "Rand should've been more like Trump" idiots.

There was plenty of support for Rand, he was top tier in fundraising and started off his campaign at the top, then came Trump. I see you're new here but know your sht before you make ridiculous statements.

The poster was referring to the finish line, not the starting gate. No matter how strong a candidate looks at the beginning, the point is did they do what they needed to do to WIN the race, and defeat the opposition? Whoever the nominee was going to be had to build a winning vote coalition, and circumvent obstacles blocking them from succeeding. Trump accomplished this, Rand did not.

Pointing out the obvious is not idiocy, nor is it asking that Rand "become more like Trump." It's simply to suggest that our candidates also build a winning vote coalition, and circumvent obstacles blocking them from succeeding. Those factors are not unique to Trump. Rand should have done those things become a more successful candidate, period.

 

[Dr.3D]

Neg repped. I supported him, who did you support?

Yes, I supported him too. Guess I'm nobody too.

 

[eleganz]

The poster was referring to the finish line, not the starting gate. No matter how strong a candidate looks at the beginning, the point is did they do what they needed to do to WIN the race, and defeat the opposition? Whoever the nominee was going to be had to build a winning vote coalition, and circumvent obstacles blocking them from succeeding. Trump accomplished this, Rand did not.

Pointing out the obvious is not idiocy, nor is it asking that Rand "become more like Trump." It's simply to suggest that our candidates also build a winning vote coalition, and circumvent obstacles blocking them from succeeding. Those factors are not unique to Trump. Rand should have done those things become a more successful candidate, period.

What did he point out that was so obvious?

You wanted Rand to build better and bigger coalitions while the person you're seemingly defending wanted Rand to be more of an extreme balls to the walls candidate. You guys aren't even on the same page of this argument.

 

[fr33]

Screw that education crap. The purpose of politics isn't education.

So far all we've done is educate some people. We've made no difference whatsoever politically. The best thing Rand has done was his filibuster against govt surveillance. The movement has suffered and faded into obscurity because he did not adopt his father's "Dr. No" voting stance.

 

[Krugminator2]

So far all we've done is educate some people. We've made no difference whatsoever politically. The best thing Rand has done was his filibuster against govt surveillance. The movement has suffered and faded into obscurity because he did not adopt his father's "Dr. No" voting stance.

There were about 4 liberty people in Congress in 2007 and that's if you stretch and count someone like Jeff Flake. There are about 30 now and those people basically froze Obama the last 6 years.

Ron wasn't that great. Rand isn't that bad. Their voting records are almost identical.