Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

[Matt Collins]

From a press release -

Sen. Paul Introduces the Life at Conception Act:


WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Thursday, Sen. Paul introduced S.583, a bill that would implement equal protection under the 14th Amendment for the right to life of each born and unborn human. This legislation does not amend or interpret the Constitution, but simply relies on the 14th Amendment, which specifically authorizes Congress to enforce its provisions.

From Section 1 of the 14th Amendment:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

"The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known- that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection from that point forward,” Sen. Paul said. “The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress.”

 

[Darguth]

I'm pro-life, but if Rand wanted to push this then he needs to examine another amendment to change the 14th Amendment to make his proposal Constitutionally consistent. As much as I may wish it were otherwise, the 14th clearly states you must be born (or naturalized) to be an American citizen.

 

[Havax]

Is this a federal ban on abortion? If so this will lose him a massive amount of votes from independents, including possibly mine.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Ok, so we close down abortion clinics, then women who want abortions have to go to shady blackmarket clinics to get abortions. Some get infected and die, the women we catch we throw in prison for life.

Sounds great Rand.

 

[Havax]

Ok, so we close down abortion clinics, then women who want abortions have to go to shady blackmarket clinics to get abortions. Some get infected and die, the women we catch we throw in prison for life.

Sounds great Rand.

This is exactly what happens too. My girlfriend is from Brazil and this is what happens there. It's awful.

 

[Lightweis]

Is this a federal ban on abortion? If so this will lose him a massive amount of votes from independents, including possibly mine.

Ok don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[tsai3904]

Rand talks about the bill here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?396776-Rand-Paul-on-the-Life-at-Conception-Act

 

[itshappening]

It's not smart politics if you want to win a general election but might help in the primary.

it has no chance of passing either..

 

[KingNothing]

Morally, I agree with it. Philosophically, I disagree with it. Politically, I think it is very bad.

It will undoubtedly help him in the primary, though.

 

[TheGrinch]

Morally, I agree with it. Philosophically, I disagree with it. Politically, I think it is very bad.

It will undoubtedly help him in the primary, though.

Sums it up quite well, sigh....

 

[Carlybee]

Guaranteed to get labeled as ultra right wing. I hope he's not counting on getting a big support from libertarians because they split on this issue. I think he is obviously going for the religious vote. He just drew a very big risky line in the sand.

 

[Tod]

This is exactly what happens too. My girlfriend is from Brazil and this is what happens there. It's awful.

Are you saying there should be no justice for those who commit murder because the justice isn't warm and fuzzy?

 

[itshappening]

There's little point in winning he primary then getting buried with war on women stuff from the Democrats 24/7 and going down in flames

 

[supermario21]

I agree with it entirely. We're going to get slammed anyway on it. And if anyone can defend a pro-life position I'm sure Rand Paul can.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Ok, so we close down abortion clinics, then women who want abortions have to go to shady blackmarket clinics to get abortions. Some get infected and die, the women we catch we throw in prison for life.

Sounds great Rand.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[itshappening]

I agree with it entirely. We're going to get slammed anyway on it. And if anyone can defend a pro-life position I'm sure Rand Paul can.

Yeah, banning abortions is sure going to win where Rand keeps telling us the GOP needs to win... not.

What's the point? It has no chance of passing, ever, in a million years. Even if he wins the presidency after getting burried and demagogued non stopped by Democrats, congress will never, ever pass it.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

This might be targeted toward the Santorum crowd.

 

[itshappening]

The correct position is to "leave it to the states" and try and remove it from the perview of the Supreme Court.

If IA want to ban abortions that's up to them but don't force Maine too... He will lose the general election in a landslide running on this. Change in strategy needed.

 

[TheGrinch]

I agree with it entirely. We're going to get slammed anyway on it. And if anyone can defend a pro-life position I'm sure Rand Paul can.

Good point, there's really no winning in the abortion debate, but both sides are so incapable of understanding the other side's POV to where it is not a battle I would put at the forefront. It may actually be one of the lone issues where compromise like we have now is needed.

Though I still tip my hat to Rand for doing what Ron would have done, and say politics be damned, this is what I believe... I remember thinking the same thing in Ron's Liberty Defined book, like "really, you're going to bring people together by starting with the most divisive issue?". Though you're correct that both of them explain positions like this very well to where voters should at least be able to see their reasoning, and hopefully be able to move past the "republicans hate women" smears (not holding my breath on that though)

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

There's little point in winning he primary then getting buried with war on women stuff from the Democrats 24/7 and going down in flames

Given his vote on the Violence Against Women Act, that's bound to happen anyway. That being said, I don't really see this Act taking off. Not for moral or political reasons, I just don't see Paul being able to amass the votes for this to pass, as he has been unable to do previously with the plan to ban selling F-16s to Egypt.