Rand got less than half the votes than Ron got

[Peace&Freedom]

Wouldn't work, unless the plan is simply to have an unpopular tv network.

The specifics of your unpopular tv network are perfectly fine, but it just wouldn't have that massive effect you think it would. The internet isn't new any more, really, and there's no shortage of diverse viewpoints there. I'm not suggesting that this is a bad idea, but if a network about as popular as animal planet was hyping Rand Paul 24/7, would that mean that Rand Paul does better than 5% in Iowa?

The point would not be to be 'popular' but to be there at all. It would not be a for-profit entity, but a cooperative that made sure the average cable viewer had a reliable place to see news from the alternative, liberty perspective. MSNBC gets by with what, 200,000 viewers daily nationwide? Given that Infowars has an audience of 3 million a day by itself, a cable channel running with re-used Internet show material will be popular enough.

 

[65fastback2+2]

"In 20 years when we cant afford our current lifestyle and we have to cut the military to make ends meat, ISIS will be far more able to attack us at home"

 

[reduen]

This is BS, Matt should not have been banned for pointing this out.. I am sooo pissed right now at the piss poor results last night I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and all that Matt did is point out the truth. 5% people, how the heck does any sane person justify this in their mind enough to have confidence in the campaign going forward...? I guess ban me too if you feel like you need to but this movement use to be all about liberty and if well intended and established members can no longer speak their mind, (good or bad) we may have already lost anyway....

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Wouldn't work, unless the plan is simply to have an unpopular tv network.

The specifics of your unpopular tv network are perfectly fine, but it just wouldn't have that massive effect you think it would. The internet isn't new any more, really, and there's no shortage of diverse viewpoints there. I'm not suggesting that this is a bad idea, but if a network about as popular as animal planet was hyping Rand Paul 24/7, would that mean that Rand Paul does better than 5% in Iowa?

I think you're partly right and partly wrong there. You're right that simply a TV network with 'liberty news' would not attract a lot of new people to the movement, nor would it brainwash them into our ideology. Because that's what we have to do. We have to brainwash people. We have to use propaganda. In order to propagate our propaganda we need an outlet.

Right now there's a whole collection of different liberty minded podcasts, there's Ron's report, AJ's channel, Tom woods etc. etc. They have their own followers, they don't bring in many people from different viewpoints.

Then I find myself watching TYT from time to time. Now their political leanings piss me off most of the time but they cover a wide range of things and sometimes it's quite funny or even good coverage. They have a rather large following. My plan would be to emulate what they are doing from a liberty perspective.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm listening....what ideas do you bring to the table?

I think our side needs to get control of a TV station. Perhaps put together a business plan and present it to Peter Thiel. It would have to be professionally done with the caliber of people like Ben Swann. Most of the day would be running popular reruns. That would bring people in. Same thing as I've seen "UP" do and they infuse their leftist views in commercials and news reports.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is BS, Matt should not have been banned for pointing this out.. I am sooo pissed right now at the piss poor results last night I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and all that Matt did is point out the truth. 5% people, how the heck does any sane person justify this in their mind enough to have confidence in the campaign going forward...? I guess ban me too if you feel like you need to but this movement use to be all about liberty and if well intended and established members can no longer speak their mind, (good or bad) we may have already lost anyway....

Reduen, Matt had already started to spam multiple threads. I'm sure he was only given a time out. He'll be back.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yah banning people for speaking the truth makes a lot of sense. I feel bad for people that wasted their time. And people that were trying to worn you guys and we were called "trolls".

What waste of time? Did Ron waste his time in your opinion? Did you really think that two men were going to be able to turn around in a few short years what the powers that be have been doing to this country for 100 years? Really?

Grow a spine, man.

 

[reduen]

Yeah, I probably should not have come here right now.... God Bless all.

Reduen, Matt had already started to spam multiple threads. I'm sure he was only given a time out. He'll be back.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I think our side needs to get control of a TV station. Perhaps put together a business plan and present it to Peter Thiel. It would have to be professionally done with the caliber of people like Ben Swann. Most of the day would be running popular reruns. That would bring people in. Same thing as I've seen "UP" do and they infuse their leftist views in commercials and news reports.

I'm all in favor of that.

 

[groverblue]

matt. you are banned for a bit. fuck off you piece of shit.

Why would you ban him? It's the truth. What kind of fucking cunt are you?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why would you ban him? It's the truth. What kind of fucking cunt are you?

You are out of line. Take a chill pill. Everyone's emotions were running high last night.

 

[TheTexan]

Kindly request moving this thread out of Rand Paul Forum as this forum is only for people who support Rand's campaign.

We still have a secret delegate strategy to go and win.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Here's what's weird about this election: since maybe October I've seen nothing but Bernie Sanders bumper stickers in my area. I'm not talking about New Orleans, I'm talking about my suburb...an area that might just be among the reddest of all red areas in the country. I'm the lone person driving around with a Rand sticker on my car. I haven't even seen Hillary bumper stickers in NOLA...all Sanders.

Yesterday I saw a local news story that Bernie is opening a campaign office in said suburb....I almost fell off my chair. Obama didn't have one. Kerry didn't have one. Gore would have wasted his money. Bill Clinton may have had one (although NOLA is more likely) as he won Louisiana....last Dem candidate to do so. WTF is going on here???

Not that hard to figure out.

"Hey, I'm gonna give you lots of "free" stuff!"

Boobus swoons.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

If Santorum didn't water down his message, he would have won.


Point is, most voters don't really care about the candidate's message they care about the candidate. Iowa didn't want another Paul just like they didn't want another Huckabee, Santorum or Bush. There were so many other "exciting" new candidates to pick from.

Good point.

All these theories and nobody says the real reason why this happened. Its one you cant blame Rand for either. When Ron ran, he was the sole antiestablishment candidate Republican or Democrat. He was the only one speaking different ideas. That is the reason he has so much support. After realizing this ideology is taking a foothold, TPTB selected candidates to run against Rand this election that would split his vote and dilute his message. If you look at candidates they all are built to siphon support from Rand. Cruz copies Rand's message, but because he's a pathological liar and a showman he steals them and says in a preaching tone. Trump is supposedly an antiestablishment candidate (no clue how people believe this) who caters to the lowest IQ electorate who are fed up with govt and dont understand that what he is advocating will make it worse. Then you have the worst one.. Bernie Sanders. My guess is he takes away more votes than anyone else. Whe Ron ran, he was the only choice for these people. Now you have fake conservative/libertarians pumping Cruz as if he is Ron Paul. You have 24/7 media coverage of Trump. Sanders is also given a ton of attention and support to push socialistic agendas promising young people to not be in debt from college. They are going to do this every election from now on.

There are many factors at play, but splitting the anti-establishment vote was certainly a big one.

 

[erowe1]

Why would you ban him? It's the truth. What kind of fucking cunt are you?

In before Grover gets blown right out of here.

 

[groverblue]

You are out of line. Take a chill pill. Everyone's emotions were running high last night.

I've done more for this movement than most of you, and I'm not talking about sitting behind a keyboard on RPF. So back off. To ban someone, even for 5 minutes, for pointing out the cold hard facts is incomprehensible.

 

[Lightweis]

I've done more for this movement than most of you, and I'm not talking about sitting behind a keyboard on RPF. So back off. To ban someone, even for 5 minutes, for pointing out the cold hard facts is incomprehensible.

It is ridiculous to ban somebody anyway. A lot of people were national delegates for Ron Paul like I was. He is just speaking the truth.

 

[Crashland]

People who abandoned Rand over the Iran deal and over Mitch McConnell, is entirely on them. Liberty movement doesn't deserve to win if it can't see in front of its nose. But ultimately, that wasn't the entire problem. The campaign did make some strategic blunders but not because he wasn't close enough to Ron. The decision to aggressively attack Trump backfired bigtime. And I think Rand's campaign theme was not well focused. Campaign slogan way too wordy. Digital/media team was OK but not as groundbreaking as it could have been. At the end of the day, if Rand wanted to win Iowa he would have to convince tens of thousands of people who currently voted for Rubio, Cruz, Trump, and Sanders, in other words, people who don't give two shits about liberty purity.

 

[Kotin]

He was trolling do you see anyone else banned for "speaking the truth"???

Lots of criticism and I am fine with that, did anyone even read my previous post?

Matt was trolling and gloating on a loss. It's a temp ban and once again he deserves it

 

[hells_unicorn]

He was trolling do you see anyone else banned for "speaking the truth"???

Lots of criticism and I am fine with that, did anyone even read my previous post?

Matt was trolling and gloating on a loss. It's a temp ban and once again he deserves it

It seems that a solid chunk of this forum has the same problem that the average American voter has, namely not knowing the situation yet thinking their opinion on it is truth. Like I said, this movement still isn't ready for prime time, it'll probably take a few more losses for it to sink in that people who think they are smarter than the Pauls should spend less time mouthing off and more time running for office.