Rand got less than half the votes than Ron got

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Looks like Ron outperformed Rand in BOTH 2012 and 2008.


In case anyone is wondering Ron received 26,036 votes or 21.5% of the Iowa vote in 2012.


Rand will receive far less than half of that this year in 2016


Just to put into perspective, Ron also received 11,817 or 10% of Iowa in 2008.



So much for trending upwards and growing the base. :mad:
 
It certainly doesn't help when you're a perceived loser.

One could only wonder what would've happened if the news had another cycle to hit Ted on his voter shaming tactics.
 
I think Cruz might have done better among young voters than Rand!!!

The Rand of 2010 would have done much better!!
 
Matt Collins said:
Looks like Ron outperformed Rand in BOTH 2012 and 2008.


In case anyone is wondering Ron received 26,036 votes or 21.5% of the Iowa vote in 2012.


Rand will receive far less than half of that this year in 2016


Just to put into perspective, Ron also received 11,817 or 10% of Iowa in 2008.



So much for trending upwards and growing the base. :mad:
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WTF is your problem???? Didn't get the payoff you wanted from Rand's campaign?
 
Rand is simply unlikable. Every single person I talk to about him call him "annoying" or something to that effect. He's short. He has goofy hair. He is very intelligent but he comes off as "negative" in all his debate talks. He's not the candidate for the liberty movement. We really need to run someone that is a smooth talker, and can drive home the message of liberty in a crystal clear convincing fashion that a 3rd grader could understand.
 
Ron running this year would have done much worse than Rand did. When Ron was running he was the only anti-establishment candidate both times.
 
True... but if Rand is one of the five GOP candidates who manages
to travel to N.H and S.C there is hope for his message! The two
Democrats are not going away in any hurry, but O'Malley has just
tossed in the towel. I expect 4 GOP candidates will follow suit over
the next few days and weeks. I think Rand needs to focus on being
at any future debates. He may do better in 2020, at this point i feel
the GOP is going to be comparing the eventual nominee to Mitt Romney,
who didn't run this time around. Trump is so on the verge of imploding
and Ted Cruz has rough edges. I think Senator Rand needs to be patient.
 
Aratus said:
True... but if Rand is one of the five GOP candidates who manages
to travel to N.H and S.C there is hope for his message! The two
Democrats are not going away in any hurry, but O'Malley has just
tossed in the towel. I expect 4 GOP candidates will follow suit over
the next few days and weeks. I think Rand needs to focus on being
at any future debates. He may do better in 2016, at this point i feel
the GOP is going to be comparing the eventual nominee to Mitt Romney,
who didn't run this time around. Trump is so on the verge of imploding
and Ted Cruz has rough edges. I think Senator Rand needs to be patient.
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It doesn't look like there is much hope of Rand being at any upcoming debates, if they use a criteria that is anything like the ones they have been using.
 
Kotin said:
matt. you are banned for a bit. fuck off you piece of shit.
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Well I certainly do not want banned but technically speaking I can find no wrong with anything he said?? The truth is Rand took a different approach that he thought would be a winner but he wasn't counting on Trump being a media darling and Cruz being funded by Goldman Sachs who he likes to claim is his grassroots. I think if anything Rand or anyone else should learn from this is people want the cold hard truth, they don't want it sugar coated. Go Rand, nonetheless!
 
fcreature said:
Ron running this year would have done much worse than Rand did. When Ron was running he was the only anti-establishment candidate both times.
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I highly doubt that. Dopey old Ben Carson got 10% just by declaring himself anti-establishment and then falling asleep. Ron would have done much better than him. Rand failed because he ran as an Establishment candidate in the most anti-establishment year on record and the establishment felt they had better options (and they did, because guys like Rubio, Kasich, and Jeb are far more establishment than Rand).

For a liberty candidate to win, he basically has to run as a more electable version of Ron Paul. That is the formula Rand Paul followed quite successfully in 2010. Not sure why he ditched it this time.
 
Schifference said:
Is it over for Rand now or is he still in it to win it?
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If everybody keeps talking the way that they have been on this forum the past couple hours, I'm not sure Rand would even want to continue. Everybody's lost hope. Honestly, I am disappointed that he put all his chips on the young vote because clearly they are not reliable AT ALL, but hopefully he comes up with another strategy after tonight.
 
Matt Collins said:
Looks like Ron outperformed Rand in BOTH 2012 and 2008.


In case anyone is wondering Ron received 26,036 votes or 21.5% of the Iowa vote in 2012.


Rand will receive far less than half of that this year in 2016


Just to put into perspective, Ron also received 11,817 or 10% of Iowa in 2008.



So much for trending upwards and growing the base. :mad:
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There was no base. Anyone who decided to vote for Trump or Bernie was not part of any liberty base in the first place.
 
Havax said:
Rand is simply unlikable. Every single person I talk to about him call him "annoying" or something to that effect. He's short. He has goofy hair. He is very intelligent but he comes off as "negative" in all his debate talks. He's not the candidate for the liberty movement. We really need to run someone that is a smooth talker, and can drive home the message of liberty in a crystal clear convincing fashion that a 3rd grader could understand.
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I like Rand, but I'll be the first to admit he needs a skilled media rep someone who can teach how to be more likable. He never smiles and just doesn't seem comfortable. I listened to him this morning on Laura Ingraham's show who is one of his biggest fans and he just comes across as aloof.

Go back to Ron's 2011-12 campaign and he was having the time of his life!!
 
RonPaulMall said:
Rand failed because he ran as an Establishment candidate in the most anti-establishment year on record and the establishment felt they had better options (and they did, because guys like Rubio, Kasich, and Jeb are far more establishment than Rand).
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Previous years have been establishment years because the TV said so. This year was anti-establishment, because the TV said so.
 
William R said:
I like Rand, but I'll be the first to admit he needs a skilled media rep someone who can teach how to be more likable. He never smiles and just doesn't seem comfortable. I listened to him this morning on Laura Ingraham's show who is one of his biggest fans and he just comes across as aloof.

Go back to Ron's 2011-12 campaign and he was having the time of his life!!
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He had so much fun that he didn't even mind leaving the gloves on as Romney ran away with the nomination while the RNC changed the game.
 
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