Rand Endorses Pat Roberts? (FAIL)

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Rand Endorses Pat Roberts (R-Kansas)

Voted for 11 debt ceiling increases
Obama's 600 billion tax hike
Endorsement, push, & confirmation of Kathleen Sebelius (Health and Human Services)
Worked for Kathleen Sebelius' father
Doesn't live in Kansas, has lived in DC for 47 years (while being a Kansas senator for the last 33 years)
Career Politician
Never had a real job outside of politics.



And Rand Paul endorses this guy? This seems like a disastrous strategy. A large percent of Republicans in Kansas will be staying home this year, out of disgust for Pat Roberts. Did Rand not consult anyone in Kansas before endorsing Pat Roberts? I don't see how this helps Rand's 2016 ambitions in Kansas at all.
 
MikeStanart said:
Rand Endorses Pat Roberts (R-Kansas)

Voted for 11 debt ceiling increases
Obama's 600 billion tax hike
Endorsement, push, & confirmation of Kathleen Sebelius (Health and Human Services)
Worked for Kathleen Sebelius' father
Doesn't live in Kansas, has lived in DC for 47 years (while being a Kansas senator for the last 33 years)
Career Politician
Never had a real job outside of politics.



And Rand Paul endorses this guy? This seems like a disastrous strategy. A large percent of Republicans in Kansas will be staying home this year, out of disgust for Pat Roberts. Did Rand not consult anyone in Kansas before endorsing Pat Roberts? I don't see how this helps Rand's 2016 ambitions in Kansas at all.
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For political capital I would assume and to show he's a team player I would assume. I really wouldn't give much thought to endorsements outside of primary.
 
The question isn't whether Roberts is good, the question is whether he is better than the alternative, Greg Orman. Rand evidently thinks so, and I'm inclined to agree based on a little reading about Orman.

This isn't anything new, in any case. Ron would endorse plenty of sub-par Republican candidates over yet-more-dire opponents. It wasn't disastrous then, and it won't be now. Indeed, it gives Rand leverage to call in favors later.
 
I have intimate knowledge of the Kansas primary. This will cripple Rand in the Kansas Presidential primary. Anyone who voted for Milton Wolf in the primary (41% of primary voters) will have a very hard time getting behind Rand after this.
 
He didn't endorse him for the primary so it shouldn't matter to them (Wolf supporters) unless they just want to be bitter.
 
MikeStanart said:
I have intimate knowledge of the Kansas primary. This will cripple Rand in the Kansas Presidential primary. Anyone who voted for Milton Wolf in the primary (41% of primary voters) will have a very hard time getting behind Rand after this.
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I guarantee you that this will be completely negligible in a primary almost two years hence; I'd bet good money that those who both remember this and care enough to let it influence their vote will be well less than 5% of the primary electorate. And even if I'm wrong (which I'm not), Kansas' primary is too late to matter substantially, anyway.
 
I voted for Milton Wolf in the primary but voted for Roberts in the general election. I don't want to have a pro choice, pro gun control liberal like Orman in the Senate for six years. Roberts is far from perfect, but he's 100 times better than Orman. Rand certainly made the right call here.
 
MikeStanart said:
I have intimate knowledge of the Kansas primary. This will cripple Rand in the Kansas Presidential primary. Anyone who voted for Milton Wolf in the primary (41% of primary voters) will have a very hard time getting behind Rand after this.
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Lol. Rand will certainly struggle in the Kansas caucuses, but it won't have anything at all to do with him supporting and campaigning for Roberts. That will actually help him quite a bit with Kansas Republicans. He'll struggle because Kansas is a very anti libertarian state. We're socially conservative but not fiscally conservative. Huckabee won the 2008 Kansas caucus by a large amount even though he was getting beat badly everywhere else at the time.
 
Roberts is resigning before the Presidential primary. He better cough up his favor to Rand soon.
 
MikeStanart said:
Roberts is resigning before the Presidential primary. He better cough up his favor to Rand soon.
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It's not really something that Rand is doing so that Roberts will support him later. It's just something he's doing to show rank and file GOP voters that he's a team player. Ron had a reputation of not being a team player since he would never pledge to support the eventual GOP nominee, which hurt him a lot with Republican voters. Rand knows that to be successful you have to make it clear that you're a Republican and believe in working to get Republicans elected, even though he disagrees with Pat Roberts type Republicans on several issues. He also endorsed and campaigned for Susan Collins and Scott Brown, who are both far worse than Roberts.
 
I considered voting for the Libertarian Party candidate in this race before the race got so close. I just want my vote to actually make a difference in the outcome since the Senate race is basically tied. I see Orman as far worse than Roberts.
 
He's being a team player, helping candidates throughout the country. So is Cruz. I'm behind it. I want Reid gone from a position of power.
 
MikeStanart said:
Roberts is resigning before the Presidential primary. He better cough up his favor to Rand soon.
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you are saying that Roberts is running for reelection with plans in place to resign within 2 years and no intention of completing his term?
citation?
 
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specsaregood said:
? you are saying that Roberts is running for reelection with plans in place to resign within 2 years and no intention of completing his term?
citation?
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That's what people are claiming, but I haven't heard Roberts claim that. But there's some rumor that Roberts will resign and Kris Kobach will take his place.
 
Roberts hammered Orman for his past donations to Democratic politicians, saying Kansans “won’t be fooled” by “misleading campaign rhetoric.”

“My opponent wants you to believe he is an independent, he is not,” Roberts said. “He is a liberal Democrat. He has given thousands of dollars to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and, listen to this, Harry Reid.”

However, Orman’s campaign insists he is completely bipartisan, and if one party is clearly in the majority in the Senate he will caucus with that party. In the debate, Orman said he has previously aligned himself with both parties, and wasn’t satisfied with either.
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So basically he stands for nothing and will just vote with the party in power? Go along to get along?
 
Traditional Conservative said:
That's what people are claiming, but I haven't heard Roberts claim that. But there's some rumor that Roberts will resign and Kris Kobach will take his place.
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Seems unlikely and just gossip spread to hurt him. I mean senators don't resign by choice, they still there until they die and have to be wheeled about.
 
specsaregood said:
So basically he stands for nothing and will just vote with the party in power? Go along to get along?
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Yeah, he stands for nothing. He refuses to even answer questions about where he stands on issues like an "assault weapons" ban and the Keystone Pipeline.
 
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