Rand can win nomination by going after H1b visas & illegal immigration

DevilsAdvocate said:
Alright, first of all I strongly disagree that we should end the H1B visa program. Let this country be a magnet for smart, industrious people. We need to import as many as we can, imbue them with our values, and let them live here and enrich us all. Among nations, the most valuable currency is talented people.
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Why do you think that everyone on an H1B is "smart, industrious or talented"?
 
RonPaulMall said:
Scott Walker just went full Dave Brat on immigration:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/scott-walker-lays-out-pro-american-worker-stance-on-immigration/

I didn't think he'd actually go that far. This is a disaster for us. If it comes down to Walker vs Rand, I don't really see a way in which we can win given this development. Only hope is that Walker gets lost in the crowded field and the final showdown is between Rand and some other pro-Amnesty supporter.
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This will hurt, not help, Walker.
 
RonPaulMall said:
Scott Walker just went full Dave Brat on immigration:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/scott-walker-lays-out-pro-american-worker-stance-on-immigration/

I didn't think he'd actually go that far. This is a disaster for us. If it comes down to Walker vs Rand, I don't really see a way in which we can win given this development. Only hope is that Walker gets lost in the crowded field and the final showdown is between Rand and some other pro-Amnesty supporter.
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Walker is full of crap too. He held a closed doors meeting with a local Chamber of Commerce group a few weeks back.
 
erowe1 said:
This will hurt, not help, Walker.
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It helps him if they believe it. Carving out credentials as a champion against powerful special interests (corporate america and the Latino lobby) is a no brainer.
 
RonPaulMall said:
Scott Walker just went full Dave Brat on immigration:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/20/scott-walker-lays-out-pro-american-worker-stance-on-immigration/

I didn't think he'd actually go that far. This is a disaster for us. If it comes down to Walker vs Rand, I don't really see a way in which we can win given this development. Only hope is that Walker gets lost in the crowded field and the final showdown is between Rand and some other pro-Amnesty supporter.
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Interesting. He has changed his opinion, so his sincerity on this is questionable. The neoconservatives have been very successful at co-opting and utilizing popular opinions. If Walker has neoconservative advisors, they may have recommended this. For example, neoconservative Congressman Tom Cotton made a lot of noise opposing amnesty and increased immigration before and during his run for Senate. Once elected to Senate, he became completely silent on the issue. Now it's nothing but pure neoconservative foreign policy coming from Cotton.
 
AuH20 said:
Walker is full of crap too. He held a closed doors meeting with a local Chamber of Commerce group a few weeks back.
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Yeah, we've seen this tactic before. Unfortunately, those of us that are rightly skeptical of this new development are in the minority. Who can forget McCain getting "tough" on border security for a couple of weeks during his last election?

AuH20 said:
It helps him if they believe it. Carving out credentials as a champion against powerful special interests (corporate america and the Latino lobby) is a no brainer.
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And most will believe Walker. As a matter of fact, almost every Republican that I know already had a good opinion of Walker and if Walker stays with this position, it pretty much guarantees that they will vote for Walker.
 
AuH20 said:
Walker is full of crap too. He held a closed doors meeting with a local Chamber of Commerce group a few weeks back.
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I don't trust him as far as I can throw him on this issue either, but he gave perfectly convincing "explanation" in that piece carefully explaining why he was wrong and how he came to that realization so he's going to sound believable enough to most primary voters, and perhaps just as importantly, with all the other candidates being pro-Amnesty to one degree or another, who is going to call him out on it?
 
RonPaulMall said:
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him on this issue either, but he gave perfectly convincing "explanation" in that piece carefully explaining why he was wrong and how he came to that realization so he's going to sound believable enough to most primary voters, and perhaps just as importantly, with all the other candidates being pro-Amnesty to one degree or another, who is going to call him out on it?
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Aligning himself with Sessions was sheer genius.
 
I'm a little confused on the original posters statement that the tech industry is saturated with H1 visa workers and americans can't find work. I'm a cisco engineer by training and also a heavy windows admin and do a little linux work on the side. I have NO COLLEGE DEGREE. I get a couple w2 job offers a week at 80k plus a year. I own a consulting firm and don't really want a "job". What I can say is an American with no accent and a personality will always out do a h1 looking for the same job even at 10k or 20k more a year. This is my opinion of the market in Phoenix it could be different in other parts of the country.
 
AuH20 said:
It helps him if they believe it. Carving out credentials as a champion against powerful special interests (corporate america and the Latino lobby) is a no brainer.
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History does not support your claim.
 
sublimed said:
I'm a little confused on the original posters statement that the tech industry is saturated with H1 visa workers and americans can't find work. I'm a cisco engineer by training and also a heavy windows admin and do a little linux work on the side. I have NO COLLEGE DEGREE. I get a couple w2 job offers a week at 80k plus a year. I own a consulting firm and don't really want a "job". What I can say is an American with no accent and a personality will always out do a h1 looking for the same job even at 10k or 20k more a year. This is my opinion of the market in Phoenix it could be different in other parts of the country.
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It depends upon the specialty, the hiring managers, the company, etc.

You won't be invited to work on a huge IT software project that will be mostly staffed by a H1B body shop. College degrees (good, bad, worthless or fake) are a prerequisite, often Masters Degree, because the H1Bs have those (for what they are worth), and it helps with their "can't find Americans" talking point. You don't get a chance at those jobs. Even if you have the degrees, you won't be seriously considered.

Here's an analogy. You can work as a handy-man or small independent contractor doing a variety of small construction type projects. You speak the language of your customers, word of mouth creates more work than you will ever be able to handle. Credentials, licenses and other bureaucratic nonsense don't matter to your customers.

On the other hand, for big construction projects, everyone is speaking Spanish. The people who do the actual hiring don't want to hire you, they hire family, friends, distant relatives, people from the same region as them. The executives don't want to hire you because you cost more and "make demands" of them. No jobs for you there.
 
sublimed said:
I'm a little confused on the original posters statement that the tech industry is saturated with H1 visa workers and americans can't find work. I'm a cisco engineer by training and also a heavy windows admin and do a little linux work on the side. I have NO COLLEGE DEGREE. I get a couple w2 job offers a week at 80k plus a year. I own a consulting firm and don't really want a "job". What I can say is an American with no accent and a personality will always out do a h1 looking for the same job even at 10k or 20k more a year. This is my opinion of the market in Phoenix it could be different in other parts of the country.
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Sorry for the late response.

Yes, H1B visa holders are primarily Indians. They typically only go to larger cities because there are already small Indian communities growing there.
They are a drain on the US economy as they simply work here and send the money home.

We would be better off giving them permanent residency and eliminating the H1B visas.

The one issue I have is this: if it's so easy to displace US workers and find work in the US, what is the benefit of being a US citizen? Should we or should we not deserve the right to be employed before foreign citizens in the US? If we do not deserve the right, then is the US truly a country or is it just a location where anyone from any part of the globe can enter and work?

I know a lot of libertarians that are open border advocates. I'm not sure I have seen any country in history last that doesn't have some sort of cultural identity that binds people together.

Rand needs to come out strong against H1B visas or he is toast. Disney is laying off American workers who are as skilled as the Indians that replaced them. These CEOs know no limit to their greed; they're willing to lay off thousands of employees to make a couple million more.

Privacy is a concern, but how much does your privacy matter when you have no income?
 
So long ago...before Trump kind of used this issue to his advantage (in a half-assed way).
 
Interesting, reading this thread AuH20 and David Sadler were supporting the immigration position close to what Trump said at his announcement, way before Trump announced. People accuse them of all kinds of things, but this thread proves they mainly care about issues.

Krugminator2 said:
anyone who supports Trump and Ron Paul at same time is basically a subhuman imbecile.
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acptulsa, were David, AuH20, and trojan trolls paid by Trump in April already?
 
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