Rand can win nomination by going after H1b visas & illegal immigration

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

He's already come out for more H1B visas. I think he could walk it back or rather compromise on this by advocating raising the cap while at the same time charging (more) for them. If it cost $20K or $30k for a year's Visa, companies that really are facing a labor shortage would pay for it, and it would relieve the downward pressure on Americans' wages.

 

[Krugminator2]

That's the opposite of what he should do.

Unless you mean to get rid of it altogether and let an unlimited number of people come here and work without any visas at all.

I feel strongly that you are right. Japan is the perfect example of what happens when you don't have immigrants. You get a decaying, zero growth country that puts emphasis on safety and security over entrepreneurship and risk taking.

 

[T.hill]

The H1B visa program may cost Americans job opportunities that they would have otherwise gained if it weren't for the program, but the nationality of a worker does not matter economically. No one owns their job, employees own their body and labor, but the employer owns the right to their money and business and a job is just a contractual agreement to provide a service for that business and in return are given monetary compensation.

If foreign workers get a job over an American it is likely because the foreign worker is a more proficient worker and will use their superior talents to more efficiently provide better services in relation to the work they are doing. This creates a more optimal outcome and increases the standard of living of consumers by more effectively satisfying their ends, and considering we are all consumer at bottom, then it follows it will help not hurt the American economy.

 

[erowe1]

Where? They have the lowest crime rates and highest employment rates in the world.

The government has no business trying to manage what the crime and employment rates are.

 

[TaftFan]

That would make him a total flip flopper on the issue and assure he loses the nomination.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Rand needs funding from Silicon Valley so I doubt he puts the brakes on H1B visas.

I think we see more visas as a product of agribusiness than we do tablet/trinket/app makers and whatnot. I haven't looked at it in a while, though.

At the moment, the H1-B is the only thing keepng the U.S. in the game. Of course, those foreign people are beginning to realize that there exists a Silicon Valley in China...a Silicon Valley in Japan...and on and on. And, so, I don't see the H1-B remaining a shortcut to prosperity. Not with those folks waking up to the larger scheme of things. Will see, I suppose. U.S. is essentially a leech and does nothing to promote its own population of youth to become the competitive producers of the future. I disagree with the H1-B in whole.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

The government has no business trying to manage what the crime rates are.

This is profoundly asinine.

 

[alucard13mm]

I agree that with a homogenous population, the crime rate is pretty low in todays world. Less differences to argue about. Less problems with race, religion, culture and etc.

Seems to me, small homogeous countries are the best. Isnt that what seceding is good for? Breaking off from a large country to form your own with like minded individuals?

 

[RandallFan]

No presidential candidate, except Rubio, has signed onto the Chuck Schumer- Orrin Hatch H1B mass immigration visa bill.

Rand should just say he tried to do something but Schumer and the Dreamer activists were so greedy.Then he should attack Rick Perry on tuition for illegals and again point out 10 years from now the Eric Cantor-Barack Obama Dreamer surgers are all going to be getting instate tuition.

Walker has the cleanest slate on immigration compared to the others.

Walker can plead ignorance and say he was just parrotting talking points he was fed by consultants and the sheltered Wisconsin press. Then he went to the border and spoke to people and realized how big the problem was.

Then Chuck Grassley schooled Walker about how H1B system is abused.

Now Walker is reformed as the Mitthawk 2.0.



There might be a way to have Walker and Rand be boosted at the expense of Cruz.

Rand Paul has associated with Senator David Vitter in the past on immigration. Rand can't seriously come out and say he changed his mind completely or didn't know what was up.

People who have been in congress for 5 years know there is an immigration issue and some vague parts of each issue.

Walker has been living in a bubble in Wisconsin.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Rand has an opportunity to take the nomination by going after the corrupt H1B visa program and illegal immigration.

He can still be for the H1B visa program, but reduce its size and scope. There are literally hundreds of thousands of American workers that are jobless due to this system. Additionally, he can show how if we reduce immigration the salaries will go up for low skill labor.

This may not be a popular theme on these forums, but it's reality. He could easily over take Walker and Cruz right now if he chooses to. Cruz is for creating an unlimited number of H1B visas, which would in essence allow any individual from India with a C.S. degree to work in the states.

Agree.

Unfortunately, Rand is not taking this position.

 

[redmed]

You can never secure the borders 100%, especially one as long as the US-Mexican border, and decreasing the availability of legal immigration will increase the demand for illegal immigation. It doesn't solve anything except for having less control on who gets in, and their skillsets.

True you can never make the border 100% secure, but that can be a good thing if the illegals cross the border back into Mexico. If we stop the incentives for illegals, schooling for their children, jobs, medical care, welfare they will leave this country in droves back across the border.

 

[RonPaulMall]

True you can never make the border 100% secure, but that can be a good thing if the illegals cross the border back into Mexico. If we stop the incentives for illegals, schooling for their children, jobs, medical care, welfare they will leave this country in droves back across the border.

You can't make the border secure in the same way you can't prevent all murder or rape. That you can't do something "100%" is a silly argument against a policy. If you make the effort, you can make the border reasonably secure. Other countries with a fraction of the resources the US has are able to do it.

Immigration is definitely Rand's Achilles Heel. Libertarianism is a hard sell. The only way you can make the sale on a national level is if you broaden the base by framing yourself as a defender of the Middle Class and scourge of the Corporate Fat Cats the way UKIP and Dave Brat have successfully done. But you can't do that if you take the Corporate Fat Cat position on immigration. If it ends up being Rand vs Jeb then I guess it won't matter as much, but Walker will simply destroy Rand if he doesn't make some kind of adjustments in his views.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You can't make the border secure in the same way you can't prevent all murder or rape. That you can't do something "100%" is a silly argument against a policy. If you make the effort, you can make the border reasonably secure. Other countries with a fraction of the resources the US has are able to do it.

Immigration is definitely Rand's Achilles Heel. Libertarianism is a hard sell. The only way you can make the sale on a national level is if you broaden the base by framing yourself as a defender of the Middle Class and scourge of the Corporate Fat Cats the way UKIP and Dave Brat have successfully done. But you can't do that if you take the Corporate Fat Cat position on immigration. If it ends up being Rand vs Jeb then I guess it won't matter as much, but Walker will simply destroy Rand if he doesn't make some kind of adjustments in his views.

Is Walker better? AFAIK, all of the potential GOP candidates have essentially the same position. The only real question is which ones are liars when they talk about securing the border. One could guess that Jeb, Rubio and Graham are all lying when they say that they will secure the border.

 

[erowe1]

True you can never make the border 100% secure, but that can be a good thing if the illegals cross the border back into Mexico. If we stop the incentives for illegals, schooling for their children, jobs, medical care, welfare they will leave this country in droves back across the border.

We should stop all those things for everyone, not just illegal immigrants. But it won't make many people want to leave this country. In fact, it will be a boon to our economy, and draw even more people who will come here for the same reason most immigrants have throughout history, which is to get jobs earning more money than they can in their places of origin.

 

[otherone]

LOL, this is hilarious. You really think that massive waves of barbarians (i.e. uncivilized people) flooding a first world country is a GOOD thing?

Wow, I simply don't know what to say. I think Rand's campaign is toast if this is what he believes.

Maybe just make Mexico the 51st state, making them waves of citizen-barbarians. Problem solved!

 

[JohnGalt1225]

To me the answer to immigration is to turn off the magnets. Stop offering welfare and other benefits. Enforce the laws that are on the books. There is no need for additional laws.

 

[Southron]

I would like to see more control over immigration given back to the states, as well as making citizenship rest within the States.

We can see that almost no one in the federal government is interested in slowing immigration, including Rand Paul.

 

[jmdrake]

Rand needs funding from Silicon Valley so I doubt he puts the brakes on H1B visas.

Not only that, but ever since the advance of high speed internet a programmer doesn't need a Visa to work in the U.S. He can telecommute. If the worker actually comes to the U.S. he must demand a higher salary than he would need if he remained living in India or Pakistan or the Philippines or Russia or China. In fact, come to think of it, I'm surprised more U.S. programmers don't move to countries with lower costs of living and taxes.

 

[AuH20]

I would like to see more control over immigration given back to the states, as well as making citizenship rest within the States.

We can see that almost no one in the federal government is interested in slowing immigration, including Rand Paul.

Cruz has the best immigration stance over the rest of the candidates and even he is not spectacular. It's all one panderfest. Rand is somehow mired in the middle. Not great but not horrible. There is no serious candidate willing to call out corporate fraud and illegal alien fraud. We don't owe corporate America or illegal aliens a thing. If the illegals want to come here without all the goodies that's fine with me, but we all that's not the case. If Corporate America wants to make money, get rid of the regulatory middle men and taxes. This entire illegal alien fiasco is one giant vicious cycle of cronyism that in turn transforms into big government.

 

[Foreigner]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/norway-loses-713000-on-every-muslim-immigrant/

I don't mind muslim immigrants, but I DO mind benefits being paid out to immigrants. We have lots of space, low population and dying rural communities are being kept alive because of immigration. Norway will be a much more dynamic in the future place than the rest of Europe (where the social state will collapse) with more young people compared to the elderly. Let those willing to work and contribute come, the rest can stay behind.