Rand at zero in new Florida and Georgia polls

[CPUd]

So you found the quote you were looking for, does this mean you are going to work Rand's position on "legal immigration" into all your posts in the Rand forum?

 

[kahless]

So you found the quote you were looking for, does this mean you are going to work Rand's position on "legal immigration" into all your posts in the Rand forum?

This is the first post I have made here in weeks. What other explanation do you have for Rand polling at 0%?

 

[CPUd]

This is the first post I have made here in weeks. What other explanation do you have for Rand polling at 0%?

Very few, if any, people they called said they would want to see Rand as the nominee.

 

[kahless]

Very few, if any, people they called said they would want to see Rand as the nominee.

No shit, I offered and explanation why that is. What is your explanation if you have a problem with mine?

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Regardless of Rand wanting to secure the border, end birthright citizenship and end welfare for illegals, it made him look weak on stopping the invasion. Which he is since his campaign website says he wants to encourage "legal immigration" and his proposals reflect that. The average GOP voter does no one want that, the polls show it and Trump's polling numbers show it.

I haven't seen very many conservatives take issue with those here legally.

 

[kahless]

I haven't seen very many conservatives take issue with those here legally.

There is a big difference between the establishment Republicans, their lap dog media and the actual GOP voter.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

You can "have no issue" with people who are already here legally as people and individuals; while still believing it would not be wise to increase legal immigration quotas going forward.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

There is a big difference between the establishment Republicans, their lap dog media and the actual GOP voter.

I'm an actual GOP voters and I know a lot of people who are. I've never heard any of them complain about legal immigration.

You can "have no issue" with people who are already here legally as people and individuals; while still believing it would not be wise to increase legal immigration quotas going forward.

But how many people are going to base their vote on that. A large portion of the GOP base wants to see the party appeal to Hispanics and many see Rand's position as a safe middle ground.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

Congressman, yes. Senator though is not all that different than President. Ron lost badly when he went after the GOP Senate nomination. Rand won it running away. He'd be leading, or at the very worst, be occupying the second place slot Ben Carson currently has, if he had simply replicated his Senate campaign. If he used that as a base and enhanced it with what was learned in the Brat campaign, he'd be absolutely dominating right now. It is all how you present yourself and your positions.

Please explain to us how Ben Carson has run a "better" campaign and has better "conservative" principles than Rand? Would you rather have Ben's poll numbers with his campaign and ground campaign or would you prefer to have Rand's ground campaign and polling very low with 4 1/2 months to go till Iowa?

 

[LatinsforPaul]

Rand is down for the same reason Rubio and Jeb are down. Immigration. If Rand had Jeb and Rubio money he would only be polling about the same as they are right now for the same reason.

Rand also attacked the candidate that is strong on immigration at a time when people have had enough and are fed up.

Regardless of Rand wanting to secure the border, end birthright citizenship and end welfare for illegals, it made him look weak on stopping the invasion. Which he is since his campaign website says he wants to encourage "legal immigration" and his proposals reflect that. The average GOP voter does no one want that, the polls show it and Trump's polling numbers show it.

What's Ben Carson's policy on Immigration? Is it similar to Trump's policy because Carson has nothing about immigration on his website.

 

[kahless]

I'm an actual GOP voters and I know a lot of people who are. I've never heard any of them complain about legal immigration.

But how many people are going to base their vote on that. A large portion of the GOP base wants to see the party appeal to Hispanics and many see Rand's position as a safe middle ground.

That part of the GOP base is just listening to Progressive talking points provided by the media. The reality is the polls show Hispanics living here are just as concerned about the lack of jobs and competition for jobs caused by immigration.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

That part of the GOP base is just listening to Progressive talking points provided by the media. The reality is the polls show Hispanics living here are just as concerned about the lack of jobs and competition for jobs caused by immigration.

Why do you think that over the last decade Republican numbers with Hispanics have dropped considerably? Could it be the rhetoric of people like Trump.

 

[kahless]

Why do you think that over the last decade Republican numbers with Hispanics have dropped considerably? Could it be the rhetoric of people like Trump.

Republicans have been kissing the ass of Hispanics for the last decade and it does not do them any good since the majority of Hispanics vote for the party of big government. The media also falsely labels the Republicans intolerant anyway so the pandering only helps to drive away the base they need to win elections.

The Republicans lax immigration policies will ultimately long term seal the parties fate to the dust bin of history.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Republicans have been kissing the ass of Hispanics for the last decade and it does not do them any good since the majority of Hispanics vote for the party of big government. The media also falsely labels the Republicans intolerant anyway so the pandering only helps to drive away the base they need to win elections.

The Republicans lax immigration policies will ultimately long term seal the parties fate to the dust bin of history.

Republicans got over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

 

[kahless]

Republicans got over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

 

[klamath]

Gore lost Tennessee because the Democratic Party, at a national level, has become a toxic entity to white Southern voters.

And Sixteen percent is an extremely solid base to begin a campaign. It takes a special kind of incompetence to go from sixteen to zero in the span of just a few months. Especially in a year when the national mood is so conducive to an anti-establishment message.

16 present wasn't his base. That was his highest and that is NEVER your base percentage. 8% is more like his base and at the moment he has lost some of that but you cannot point to any information the says immigration was the reason. For every circumstantial bit of evidence that points to his immigration stance I can find as much or more that it is ISUS and what republicans believe is a weak stand on terrorism.
Gore lost his home state because he was running for president not senator. Otherwise you would never have a democratic senator in a state the has a long history of always voting republican for president and vice versa.

 

[klamath]

Notice something. Every time the republican got more than 30% of the Hispanic vote they won. If the republican drove that Hispanic vote below 30% they lost.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Notice something. Every time the republican got more than 30% of the Hispanic vote they won. If the republican drove that Hispanic vote below 30% they lost.

Why, it's almost like you can't win an election in a diverse nation like the USA by just appealing to white people! Who would have thought?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

But how many people are going to base their vote on that. A large portion of the GOP base wants to see the party appeal to Hispanics and many see Rand's position as a safe middle ground.

How many will base their vote on increasing vs legal immigration? I don't know. It's a secondary concern to most GOP voters to getting a handle on illegal immigration, though.

A large portion of the GOP donor base wants to "see the party appeal to Hispanics;" the voting base seems less interested in that right now.

The voting base is more focused on border security (and visa security) and actually enforcing the immigration laws on the books.

I do think Rand is serious about border security and visa security. It's just not coming across, though. He's not campaigning on it, or barely campaigning on it. If he leaves that all unsaid, most people won't know about it.

And then the people really interested in the issue look into it and see Rand wants to increase legal immigration and that his plan has a greater focus on giving work visas to the extant illegal aliens than deporting a significant number; those highly-motivated voters are generally more restrictionist.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

How many will base their vote on increasing vs legal immigration? I don't know. It's a secondary concern to most GOP voters to getting a handle on illegal immigration, though.

A large portion of the GOP donor base wants to "see the party appeal to Hispanics;" the voting base seems less interested in that right now.

The voting base is more focused on border security (and visa security) and actually enforcing the immigration laws on the books.

I do think Rand is serious about border security and visa security. It's just not coming across, though. He's not campaigning on it, or barely campaigning on it. If he leaves that all unsaid, most people won't know about it.

And then the people really interested in the issue look into it and see Rand wants to increase legal immigration and that his plan has a greater focus on giving work visas to the extant illegal aliens than deporting a significant number; those highly-motivated voters are generally more restrictionist.

I just haven't seen the evidence that immigration is voters' highest priority.