Rand at zero in new Florida and Georgia polls

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Hillary is in freefall and is getting crushed by Trump and everyone else. She's only going to continue circling the drain. Someone needs to start polling Rand vs Biden.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I don't support Trump but I was catching some of his speeches on Fox News (ER waiting room TV, wasn't my choice) and like it or not, he's really polished his charisma, and if what was being said by Trump was coming from Rand I would:

1) believe what was being said
2) Be excited about the campaign

Rand is getting my vote in the primaries next year, but honestly I think Trump is running away with this race. Sorry, but unless something just absolutely game-breaking happens between now and then (massive unforgivable scandal of some sort) I think he's gonna win the primary. From the looks of things currently, he's set to take GA.

The establishment here in GA thinks it's just a craze and doesn't really like Trump, but everyday people are really interested in his campaign. I think they're in for a surprise though because while Trump likes to portray himself as an outsider I think the establishment does have SOMETHING they can persuade a rich man with, and I'm sure he will quickly end up as another puppet if he takes office.

 

[klamath]

I don't support Trump but I was catching some of his speeches on Fox News (ER waiting room TV, wasn't my choice) and like it or not, he's really polished his charisma, and if what was being said by Trump was coming from Rand I would:

1) believe what was being said
2) Be excited about the campaign

Rand is getting my vote in the primaries next year, but honestly I think Trump is running away with this race. Sorry, but unless something just absolutely game-breaking happens between now and then (massive unforgivable scandal of some sort) I think he's gonna win the primary. From the looks of things currently, he's set to take GA.

The establishment here in GA thinks it's just a craze and doesn't really like Trump, but everyday people are really interested in his campaign. I think they're in for a surprise though because while Trump likes to portray himself as an outsider I think the establishment does have SOMETHING they can persuade a rich man with, and I'm sure he will quickly end up as another puppet if he takes office.

He has been the one pulling the strings. He states he pays off everyone to get them to do what he wants.

 

[RDM]

He has been the one pulling the strings. He states he pays off everyone to get them to do what he wants.

Which should alarm people. If he wants to be "King" and wants certain legislation or political action passed, would he resort to "paying people off" to influence a vote?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I don't support Trump but I was catching some of his speeches on Fox News (ER waiting room TV, wasn't my choice) and like it or not, he's really polished his charisma, and if what was being said by Trump was coming from Rand I would:

1) believe what was being said
2) Be excited about the campaign

Rand is getting my vote in the primaries next year, but honestly I think Trump is running away with this race. Sorry, but unless something just absolutely game-breaking happens between now and then (massive unforgivable scandal of some sort) I think he's gonna win the primary. From the looks of things currently, he's set to take GA.

The establishment here in GA thinks it's just a craze and doesn't really like Trump, but everyday people are really interested in his campaign. I think they're in for a surprise though because while Trump likes to portray himself as an outsider I think the establishment does have SOMETHING they can persuade a rich man with, and I'm sure he will quickly end up as another puppet if he takes office.

According to Forbes the Trump is #405 on the "Richest" list at $4.1B net worth. Yes, he's rich but all that means is the "price" to buy him is steep. He's just as corruptible as any of the others and maybe more so than some because I'm sure he's used lots of corrupt practices to get his 4 Billion. I know he has used eminent domain to steal property for his own profit so who knows what other shady dealings he's been involved in. Of course he's used bankruptcy several times to his advantage (and the disadvantage of his creditors). If he's got some "secret dirt" (what billionaire doesn't) I guarantee the CIA and NSA have it all on file to use as leverage to control him. Yeah, he'll make all kinds of promises and if he were to get elected he would have all kinds of excuses...

 

[acptulsa]

He has been the one pulling the strings.

He says he pulls the strings.

He states he pays off everyone to get them to do what he wants.

This is the part that blows my mind. Congress is screwing us hard, so obviously what we need to do is grab the first clown who claims to own Congress and make him dictator. So, you own Congress, and Congress is screwing us, so you must be an outsider who loves us and wants us to be happy? Did I miss a step in there?

And what will making you dictator accomplish except to get us screwed faster and cheaper?

 

[klamath]

He says he pulls the strings.



This is the part that blows my mind. Congress is screwing us hard, so obviously what we need to do is grab the first clown who claims to own Congress and make him dictator. So, you own Congress, and Congress is screwing us, so you must be an outsider who loves us and wants us to be happy? Did I miss a step in there?

And what will making you dictator accomplish except to get us screwed faster and cheaper?

What I found as a revealing window into his character was his little spat with Rand. The debate was buying off people to get them to do what You want and when Trump told Rand he paid him as well he was referring to the eye foundation. In other words his donations to charitable organizations isn't done out of the goodness of his heart. He expects to get leverage from those donations. So what does Trump expect from the middle class he so charmingly champions???

 

[Lightweis]

I believe it is almost time for Rand to focus on reelection to his senate seat. He is just not resonating with voters right now. Zero percent is ridiculous. Clearly many Ron Paul supporters are not backing him.

 

[acptulsa]

I believe it is almost time for Rand to focus on reelection to his senate seat. He is just not resonating with voters right now. Zero percent is ridiculous. Clearly many Ron Paul supporters are not backing him.

How is this clear? Have any of these pollsters called you? Do you really think they don't have their own 'do not call lists'? Do you really think these pollsters are incapable of flipping the votes? Do you really think these numbers aren't cooked? Have you never seen Frank Lutz do his thing?

Zero percent is unbelievable. So why do you believe it?

 

[Lightweis]

How is this clear? Have any of these pollsters called you? Do you really think they don't have their own 'do not call lists'? Do you really think these pollsters are incapable of flipping the votes? Do you really think these numbers aren't cooked? Have you never seen Frank Lutz do his thing?

Zero percent is unbelievable. So why do you believe it?

I believe there is no conspiracy against Rand Paul. I have been calling my Ron Paul delegate list when I ran and won my race to represent Ron Paul as a national delegate. About 60 percent of Ron Paul supports were firmly not supporting Rand. I love Rand as a senator but he is not a good candidate for president so far. If i was advising him, the first thing I would be to buy him a suit the makes him look presidential. He should have also stood on principle and supported the Iran deal.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Neither Ron or Rand really had a chance. Rand screwed up and lost a good portion of Ron's base trying a risky ridgetop walk but in the end Rand could have been RP 2 clone and still not received all of Ron's miserable little slice of a base. 9 out of 10 republicans didn't vote for Ron and a good majority NEVER would have. Ron always had a very high "would never vote for" polling numbers. Trumps numbers prove it solidly. You tell me that those voters now sucking down preemptive war, torture, single payer, corporate bailouts. would have EVER voted for paul. I DON'T THINK SO.

Utter nonsense. Rand already did win a majority of Republican voters. That is how he became a Senator in the first place. Rand was perfectly positioned at the start of this race. The political dynamic of the electorate couldn't be better for a Liberty Candidate. Chris Matthews wasn't the only one who thought he could win. A lot of us did. But those predictions were predicated on a solid campaign strategy. I assumed Rand had watched what happened in the Brat-Cantor race and had taken notes and that his campaign this time around would be even better than the one that catapulted him to the Senate. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine he would abandon every electoral principle that brought him to where he is and instead run what is one of the worst campaigns in modern political history.

Rand is at 0% in the polls because he has run a campaign that has appealed to 0% of Republican voters. This isn't rocket science.

 

[klamath]

Utter nonsense. Rand already did win a majority of Republican voters. That is how he became a Senator in the first place. Rand was perfectly positioned at the start of this race. The political dynamic of the electorate couldn't be better for a Liberty Candidate. Chris Matthews wasn't the only one who thought he could win. A lot of us did. But those predictions were predicated on a solid campaign strategy. I assumed Rand had watched what happened in the Brat-Cantor race and had taken notes and that his campaign this time around would be even better than the one that catapulted him to the Senate. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine he would abandon every electoral principle that brought him to where he is and instead run what is one of the worst campaigns in modern political history.

Rand is at 0% in the polls because he has run a campaign that has appealed to 0% of Republican voters. This isn't rocket science.

Voting for a senator or congressmen vs president are to entirely difference animals. Case in point. Ron won his congressional seat 11 times with up to 3 to 1 margins. He lost his own district by nearly 4 to l when running for president.

 

[mit26chell]

Trump is now out-polling all democratic candidates nationally. Rand can no longer use that line I guess.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Voting for a senator or congressmen vs president are to entirely difference animals. Case in point. Ron won his congressional seat 11 times with up to 3 to 1 margins. He lost his own district by nearly 4 to l when running for president.

Congressman, yes. Senator though is not all that different than President. Ron lost badly when he went after the GOP Senate nomination. Rand won it running away. He'd be leading, or at the very worst, be occupying the second place slot Ben Carson currently has, if he had simply replicated his Senate campaign. If he used that as a base and enhanced it with what was learned in the Brat campaign, he'd be absolutely dominating right now. It is all how you present yourself and your positions.

 

[klamath]

Congressman, yes. Senator though is not all that different than President. Ron lost badly when he went after the GOP Senate nomination. Rand won it running away. He'd be leading, or at the very worst, be occupying the second place slot Ben Carson currently has, if he had simply replicated his Senate campaign. If he used that as a base and enhanced it with what was learned in the Brat campaign, he'd be absolutely dominating right now. It is all how you present yourself and your positions.

No, senators are exactly the same as congressmen. Gore lost his own state running for president. People vote for presidents on a whole different standard. Rand in his hay day when he was leading the polls was only polling 16 stinking percent. Yes Rand might be able to sell himself better but if he is anything like his father no matter what anyone else says he will keep doing what he is doing.
KY is not a microcosm of the whole US.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Congressman, yes. Senator though is not all that different than President. Ron lost badly when he went after the GOP Senate nomination. Rand won it running away. He'd be leading, or at the very worst, be occupying the second place slot Ben Carson currently has, if he had simply replicated his Senate campaign. If he used that as a base and enhanced it with what was learned in the Brat campaign, he'd be absolutely dominating right now. It is all how you present yourself and your positions.

Yeah, except the entire Republican Party wasn't running for his Senate seat. Regardless of Paul's views, there's no way to prove where he'd have been had things been done differently. He doesn't have the name recognition or deep wallets that Jeb Bush has, he doesn't have the gloves-off approach of Donald Trump, he's not seen as the savior of his party like Rubio does, he doesn't have the 'no-bullshit' talk that people claim Christie has- we don't know. And no one would have thought that Cantor would lose. Brat's win came out of nowhere. Before that, I guarantee you that next to no one outside of Virginia knew who Dave Brat was.

 

[RonPaulMall]

No, senators are exactly the same as congressmen. Gore lost his own state running for president. People vote for presidents on a whole different standard. Rand in his hay day when he was leading the polls was only polling 16 stinking percent. Yes Rand might be able to sell himself better but if he is anything like his father no matter what anyone else says he will keep doing what he is doing.
KY is not a microcosm of the whole US.

Gore lost Tennessee because the Democratic Party, at a national level, has become a toxic entity to white Southern voters.

And Sixteen percent is an extremely solid base to begin a campaign. It takes a special kind of incompetence to go from sixteen to zero in the span of just a few months. Especially in a year when the national mood is so conducive to an anti-establishment message.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Rand is at 0% in the polls because he has run a campaign that has appealed to 0% of Republican voters. This isn't rocket science.

And that is the fault of Republican voters, not Rand Paul.

 

[CPUd]

Ron Paul 2012 got crushed in the TX primary because, like a lot of the other primaries happening around that time, people thought he had dropped out of the race. This is partly because the press had already written him off, and partly due to little to no TV ad spending.

 

[kahless]

Rand is down for the same reason Rubio and Jeb are down. Immigration. If Rand had Jeb and Rubio money he would only be polling about the same as they are right now for the same reason.

Rand also attacked the candidate that is strong on immigration at a time when people have had enough and are fed up.

Regardless of Rand wanting to secure the border, end birthright citizenship and end welfare for illegals, it made him look weak on stopping the invasion. Which he is since his campaign website says he wants to encourage "legal immigration" and his proposals reflect that. The average GOP voter does no one want that, the polls show it and Trump's polling numbers show it.