There is, Rand Paul himself. Sorry for the blunt truth, but Rand has positions on important issues that are very far from the majority of Republicans, and that combined with attacking Donald Trump during the debate and afterward is why he is doing so bad.
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There is, Rand Paul himself. Sorry for the blunt truth, but Rand has positions on important issues that are very far from the majority of Republicans, and that combined with attacking Donald Trump during the debate and afterward is why he is doing so bad.
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And there you go. People know things can't continue as they are, and they don't want things to continue as they are, but just as soon as you promise something different--something definite which is different, unlike Obama--they freak.
Trump may not be credible as an outsider. But at least he has the courtesy to promise things will change without actually saying how.
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I'm glad people were willing to talk about how well Paul did versus Christie during the debate by showing strength, then back up and say step it up when he's down in certain polls.
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This thread is getting stupid now. Here is the historical polling for FL:
Look at the last 2 polls (the ones in the shaded area). Now count how many candidates gained since the Q poll 8/7-8/18. Rubio is not even competitive in his own state.
Look at the last 2 polls (the ones in the shaded area). Now count how many candidates gained since the Q poll 8/7-8/18. Rubio is not even competitive in his own state.
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No one cares about Christie anymore. Hell, not even his fellow New Jerseyans care about him anymore. His approval ratings are so low that if he was up for re-election tomorrow, he'd be booted out.
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The only thing I can think is that Rand thinks he has a deal with McConnell to guarantee Senate votes on several high-profile pieces of legislation backed by Rand that will get him into the spotlight and show him to be a successful leader. That could help Rand rack up some numbers. If that's not in the works, or McConnell backtracks, it is going to be real hard for Rand to get some traction.
I mean at this point I don't believe there is a path, Rand's only chance was as an outsider and libertarian and he spent all this time coozying up to the establishment who are never going to support him. I wish Ron was younger and he could of run again.
End the MED not the FED. He is a Doctor. People would be very happy for their medical bills and insurance costs to drop 80%.
Medical Fraud and racketeering is 20% of the United states GDP right now. How does nobody care about this?!?!?
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"They aren't concerned about privacy issues when financials and jobs are perceivingly at stake."
So why would you think "fiscal conservatism" whatever that is, is somehow going to appeal to this group? "Hey we'll balance the budget by cutting Medicare." Which technically would be true but would go over like a lead balloon politically.
The bottom line is Rand is horribly positioned for this campaign. The leading candidate for the GOP nomination favors universal healthcare, increased defense spending and spending on building walls and deporting people. That's a lot of spending don't you think? Hasn't hurt him one bit. Rand, the "real conservative" is at zero percent in the polls. Real conservatism, fiscal or otherwise, is pretty much dead don't you think? And if so, Rand needs to start thinking about getting out and just focusing on the Senate seat until events or the political winds favor him at some point. He's lucky the Dems in Kentucky are more focused on state races than worrying about Rand's Senate campaign because they've pretty much let him get off so far without any credible opposition. He needs to take advantage of this and make his position in Kentucky unbeatable and then recharge his batteries for the future rather than try to prop up a Presidential campaign which is not going well.
So why would you think "fiscal conservatism" whatever that is, is somehow going to appeal to this group? "Hey we'll balance the budget by cutting Medicare." Which technically would be true but would go over like a lead balloon politically.
The bottom line is Rand is horribly positioned for this campaign. The leading candidate for the GOP nomination favors universal healthcare, increased defense spending and spending on building walls and deporting people. That's a lot of spending don't you think? Hasn't hurt him one bit. Rand, the "real conservative" is at zero percent in the polls. Real conservatism, fiscal or otherwise, is pretty much dead don't you think? And if so, Rand needs to start thinking about getting out and just focusing on the Senate seat until events or the political winds favor him at some point. He's lucky the Dems in Kentucky are more focused on state races than worrying about Rand's Senate campaign because they've pretty much let him get off so far without any credible opposition. He needs to take advantage of this and make his position in Kentucky unbeatable and then recharge his batteries for the future rather than try to prop up a Presidential campaign which is not going well.
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how many get either free heath care, Obamacare or medicare or medicaid? or from their employer and therefore thought of as free?
this is why medical costs have risen. and few care
Neither Ron or Rand really had a chance. Rand screwed up and lost a good portion of Ron's base trying a risky ridgetop walk but in the end Rand could have been RP 2 clone and still not received all of Ron's miserable little slice of a base. 9 out of 10 republicans didn't vote for Ron and a good majority NEVER would have. Ron always had a very high "would never vote for" polling numbers. Trumps numbers prove it solidly. You tell me that those voters now sucking down preemptive war, torture, single payer, corporate bailouts. would have EVER voted for paul. I DON'T THINK SO.
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Trump won't be in a position to deal by the time the VP talk becomes relevant. I doubt he even gets more than 50 delegates total.
He seems to have the same Teflon that Reagan had. I don't believe it either. but as of today its his to lose. no winner of both Iowa and NH has ever lost the nomination. and Trump is on target to win both
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Rand needs to change his strategy.
First, he should announce plans to immediately deport all illegals in his first week. Then all remaining Mexicans the second week. It may be hard to tell if someone is Mexican, so he'll instruct police to just use go after anyone that sort of looks like one.
In week three he'll unilaterally end all entitlements. We'll soon find out who's rough enough and tough enough to be a real American.
Next, his plan for Iran: total nuclear annihilation. After that, confront the inevitable global thermonuclear war, and win. Assassinate Putin on one of his shirtless bear hunting expeditions, and then wipe Russia off the map, followed by China, Africa, and South America. Europe, Australia and Canada will agree to give up their sovereignty to the mighty America within 24 hours, or else they will all join their multicultural friends in the radioactive holocaust.
Next, with us as the only nation standing we'll wait a few years, then send out people to colonize the wasteland. Spreading American values far and wide. Any survivors that are found in bunkers will be captured and forced to fight for our amusement in gladiatorial battles to the death.
Paul will also reverse his stance on term limits, eliminating them entirely. The next order of business is to demolish the Capitol building, and replace it with a great golden throne for him to sit in. He will requisition a diamond studded crown emblazoned with the image of the bald eagle, and a golden staff inset with rubies and emerald trimming. From that high perch he can look out over the new world he's created and revel in it's mastery.
After Rand announces this, I expect his poll numbers will be cresting at around 80%. Trump that Trump!
First, he should announce plans to immediately deport all illegals in his first week. Then all remaining Mexicans the second week. It may be hard to tell if someone is Mexican, so he'll instruct police to just use go after anyone that sort of looks like one.
In week three he'll unilaterally end all entitlements. We'll soon find out who's rough enough and tough enough to be a real American.
Next, his plan for Iran: total nuclear annihilation. After that, confront the inevitable global thermonuclear war, and win. Assassinate Putin on one of his shirtless bear hunting expeditions, and then wipe Russia off the map, followed by China, Africa, and South America. Europe, Australia and Canada will agree to give up their sovereignty to the mighty America within 24 hours, or else they will all join their multicultural friends in the radioactive holocaust.
Next, with us as the only nation standing we'll wait a few years, then send out people to colonize the wasteland. Spreading American values far and wide. Any survivors that are found in bunkers will be captured and forced to fight for our amusement in gladiatorial battles to the death.
Paul will also reverse his stance on term limits, eliminating them entirely. The next order of business is to demolish the Capitol building, and replace it with a great golden throne for him to sit in. He will requisition a diamond studded crown emblazoned with the image of the bald eagle, and a golden staff inset with rubies and emerald trimming. From that high perch he can look out over the new world he's created and revel in it's mastery.
After Rand announces this, I expect his poll numbers will be cresting at around 80%. Trump that Trump!
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Sadly, the electorate is so stupid that I bet his poll numbers would soar if he said things like that.
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Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner.
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Are those in percent or did they just ask 94 people?
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Positions are only part of the mix, and Trump is doing well for the most part without even specifying what he would do, how he would do it, or why we should trust his current views given his history. Rand is struggling because while his rhetorical approach opened a dialogue and reduced attacks on him, it did not change the framework on how those issues are approached by the mainstream. Indeed, Rand has not even tried to shake that framework, just finesse his way around it.
Trump has gotten an unfair amount of media coverage, to be sure, but he has also changed frameworks, be it on immigration, trade, resisting many forms of PC pressure and so forth. Despite using token hawkish rhetoric, he has said the key thing about Iraq---that the original invasion was a mistake, and that Bush Inc bears responsibility for it, not the Democrats---that changes the game, as it accepts the verdict of public opinion on that subject, and does not lock the GOP into a mindset of further global meddling going forward.
One reason why the conservative base has been de-energized and stayed home in recent Presidential cycles is that they perceive the only thing the party REALLY cares about or stands for at this point, is invading and bombing more countries, following the 2003 model. This perception is shared by independents, who have not been attracted to GOP contenders for the same reason. As I have said before: no Republican is going to win back the White House until they at least concede the Iraq war was wrong.
Rand holds that view and can still be that Republican, but he has to appear to challenge establishment frameworks, not rhetorically finesse or embrace them. He should triangulate the Trump phenomenon instead of attack it, and by doing so inherit its anti-establishment momentum. By doing so Rand would signal to the party base factions, as Trump has signaled by emphasizing cultural policy, that the GOP is not a foreign policy party, to the exclusion of (or caving on) everything else.
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