Rand 2024?

[jmdrake]

That ticket has no chance of winning. 75 million Americans are pissed off that Pence didn't overturn the election results. I highly doubt after 4 years Pence will be forgiven, if at all. His political career is over as far as I'm concerned. The GOP in general is burnt toast right now. They could very likely go 20-30 years without winning presidential elections.

Only a subset of those who voted for Trump believe the election was stolen and a smaller subset of that wanted to fight after the electoral college vote. That said the "always Trumpers" will be a formidable force in 2024.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I think Rand should and would do well. He emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted. A lot of other potential 24 candidates reek of Trump.

Yes. Rand was smart and let Trump hang himself. I'd still vote for Rand. But my dream ticket is Massey/Tulsi. (I know, I know. Never will happen).

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Yes. Rand was smart and let Trump hang himself. I'd still vote for Rand. But my dream ticket is Massey/Tulsi. (I know, I know. Never will happen).

Cue autistic screeching about demoncrats.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Only a subset of those who voted for Trump believe the election was stolen and a smaller subset of that wanted to fight after the electoral college vote. That said the "always Trumpers" will be a formidable force in 2024.

And what exactly do you think the "always Trumpers" are going to do in 2024? Unless Trump runs again or some other candidate that espouses Trumpism comes along, those people are going to 100% sit out of the election cycle.

 

[jmdrake]

And what exactly do you think the "always Trumpers" are going to do in 2024? Unless Trump runs again or some other candidate that espouses Trumpism comes along, those people are going to 100% sit out of the election cycle.

Not disagreeing. Just disagreeing with the idea that the subset you mention represents 75 million people.

 

[TheTexan]

Only a subset of those who voted for Trump believe the election was stolen and a smaller subset of that wanted to fight after the electoral college vote. That said the "always Trumpers" will be a formidable force in 2024.

A pretty large subset of those who voted for Trump believe the election was stolen. Some numbers estimate up to 75%, but easily more than a majority.

The 25% of Republicans who don't believe the election was stolen don't even matter. Because they're stupid.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Why bother? Pence/Haley has already been chosen. Doubt Rand is interested any more.

I’d prefer DeSantis/Noem. Then bring Rand into the Cabinet.

DeSantis is up for reelection in 2022. I don't expect him to make a run for president until 2028, assuming the country hasn't been completely torn apart by then.

 

[TheTexan]

And what exactly do you think the "always Trumpers" are going to do in 2024? Unless Trump runs again or some other candidate that espouses Trumpism comes along, those people are going to 100% sit out of the election cycle.

I don't know if the "always Trumpers" idea even still exists.

He really pissed his supporters off in the last few weeks by being a beta male pussy who condemned his strongest supporters in the capitol rally, didn't pardon them, and otherwise refused to do or say anything controversial in the last weeks of his Presidency.

He allowed himself to be fully & completely castrated by the left, and once your nuts are cut off like that, they can't really be re-attached.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

DeSantis is up for reelection in 2022. I don't expect him to make a run for president until 2028, assuming the country hasn't been completely torn apart by then.

I mentioned him because he is a governor, and relative to many other governors, Florida has faired well during the COVID panic. He seemed to resist the panic more than others. He was also a founding member of the Freedom Caucus. Other than that, I haven't kept up with him, other than seeing people happy in Florida while California is under the totalitarian lockdown boot of Chairman Newsom.

 

[Gaius Marius]

And what exactly do you think the "always Trumpers" are going to do in 2024? Unless Trump runs again or some other candidate that espouses Trumpism comes along, those people are going to 100% sit out of the election cycle.

I don't know about that. The MSM spin on the Trump phenomenon is that he is some pied piper and that ~75 million voters are blindly following him. An alternative viewpoint is that ~75 million voters saw little difference between Democrat and GOP primary candidates in 2016 and ultimately voted for the one candidate who distinguished himself from the rest of the inside-the-beltway crowd of candidates in both the 2016 and 2020 elections. Those ~75 million voters may support Trump in 2024. However, they will likely support any candidate who distinguished him/her-self from the inside-the-beltway candidates who in such instance will be Biden/Harris. (BTW, I predict that Biden won't last beyond 2022).

 

[BSWPaulsen]

I think Rand should and would do well. He emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted. A lot of other potential 24 candidates reek of Trump.

Rand Paul emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted as far as Democrats are concerned, because the course of action he took favored them. While I am still a supporter of his and would vote for him, there are a lot of Republicans that will no longer consider him at all due to the way he is perceived as having handled the election. Democrats have no use for him as it is, and, operating from the premise that the election results were legitimate, Republicans are numerically inferior.

Essentially, he has even less chance than he did in 2016 and would get crushed by even the most vanilla of Democrats. I am sure there are some Libertarians hanging on to the delusional hope that a figure like Rand Paul could pull over huge numbers of Democrats to make up for the Republicans he has alienated, but that just is not the case. Again, this is also assuming the elections even have any integrity to speak of.

Of course, if anyone wants to have a personal wager with me over whether Rand Paul will be president in 2024, I will gladly take that bet.

 

[TheTexan]

Of course, if anyone wants to have a personal wager with me over whether Rand Paul will be president in 2024, I will gladly take that bet.

He has 1000% better chance than Ron Paul did. In other words, zero.

He simply wouldn't be allowed to win, even if he through some stroke of mystical fortune actually did have a chance.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

He has 1000% better chance than Ron Paul did. In other words, zero.

He simply wouldn't be allowed to win, even if he through some stroke of mystical fortune actually did have a chance.

I believe you are correct.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Rand never had even half of Ron's base as support during his previous run. I doubt he can make up the ground between now and 2024, considering half of "our" base is skeptical of him (right/wrong, whatever... I'm not arguing those merits, just stating the "facts" from my angle). He never fired up the common Republican, to my knowledge. What will make 2024 any different?


Furthermore, I debated staying out of this thread because I didn't have anything nice to say, but what the heck is the point in worrying about the presidency? I thought we all moved on from that unreachable goal after 2012?

We should focus on local/state and maybe H.O.R. seats. That's where we'll find victories. There is nothing but wasted money and time on anything beyond those areas.

 

[eleganz]

I think Rand should and would do well. He emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted. A lot of other potential 24 candidates reek of Trump.

Why are libertarians so blind to anything outside of their ideological bubble? Go observe today's GOP grassroots. They want Trump. Those anti-Trump are tainted and vice versa. This is why Liz Cheney and Cindy McCain are censured.

As for Rand, I hope he runs, though I have zero expectation of it. We don't even know if hes going to run for Senate again.

Rand never had even half of Ron's base as support during his previous run. I doubt he can make up the ground between now and 2024, considering half of "our" base is skeptical of him (right/wrong, whatever... I'm not arguing those merits, just stating the "facts" from my angle). He never fired up the common Republican, to my knowledge. What will make 2024 any different?
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To be fair, no candidate ever shares the exact same base. You say Rand didn't have some of the base of Ron but Ron also shares a huge base with Trump yet Trump is villified on this forum. Trump's online supporters in general really like Ron and Rand. Support from the traditional party is general and tend to just follow whoever the president is. It can be argued that Trump had a unique grip on the party grassroots.

Rand did lose some of the purist libertarians, honestly nobody wants them anyways, they're not influential and aren't productive in this world. Tom Woods refers to them as POVERTARIANS. With the loss of those purists, he gained support in the general GOP base. Rand was considered a top tier candidate and did hit 24% in the crowded field before Trump entered.

 

[trey4sports]

Exactly. Rand Paul is just way too quixotic and most people don't understand his message.

Maybe Rand has a son that can run for President, that people can better relate to?

How about a father

 

[trey4sports]

Is DeSantis forcing anyone to take a vaccine?

Better to have one of those “move the Covid patients to the nursing homes” Democrats. Maybe that transwoman who moved her mom out before sending the Covid patients in would be a good choice?



Enough with the drama. No one said they wouldn't support Rand running for POTUS. Some of us get the feeling he wouldn’t want to do it again.

I remember reading multiple articles stating Rand didn't like the process at all. He didn't like kissing the ring of major donors. Rand is very smart but I don't know that he is a natural "people person." It is what it is honestly. We can't get everything we want in a candidate. On the upside I think Rand does strike a good balance that the average low-info "conservative" could get behind Rand and he could still get the grassroots fired up. On the other hand I can see him failing to excite the average run of the mill GOP voter too. Keep an eye on Matt Gaetz too. He might end up being the torchbearer for the movement.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Exactly. Rand Paul is just way too quixotic and most people don't understand his message.

Maybe Rand has a son that can run for President, that people can better relate to?

How about a father

His father? No way!

I head that guy is some kind of kook, or something.

 

[XxNeXuSxX]

Ron Paul got 24% New Hampshire in 2012. Rand Paul got nothing the Ron Paul movement was destroyed. Half of them became delusional or they became like Justin amash.

 

[Nalteb]

Ted Cruz at least proposed to investigate the election and has some popular support.
I would hope more for one of the legislators who voted to invalidate some of the states' electoral votes. Rand would be a third tier choice for me. I appreciated his description for why there should be term limits for Senators.