Rand 2024?

[jmdrake]

DeSantis isn't forcing the vaccine on anyone at all. He is simply saying that those most vulnerable to the virus should get the vaccine first, if they want it. This makes sense.

AND ACCORDING TO DR. FAUCI THEY ARE THE MOST LIKELY TO DIE FROM A REACTION TO THE VACCINE! IN WHAT PERVERTED UNIVERSE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!

Vaccinate the healthcare workers taking care of the seniors first? Yeah, that makes sense.

Edit: Sorry (not sorry) for the all caps. I have a dad in his 80s and a mom in her 90s. It pisses me off that even though we now have evidence that it might not be safe for seniors to take the vaccine, DeSantis is "prioritizing" it for them. And I don't give a flying fig that he isn't "mandating it." Recommending and prioritizing people take something that might kill them is just not okay in my book.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

AND ACCORDING TO DR. FAUCI THEY ARE THE MOST LIKELY TO DIE FROM A REACTION TO THE VACCINE! IN WHAT PERVERTED UNIVERSE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!

Vaccinate the healthcare workers taking care of the seniors first? Yeah, that makes sense.

Edit: Sorry (not sorry) for the all caps. I have a dad in his 80s and a mom in her 90s. It pisses me off that even though we now have evidence that it might not be safe for seniors to take the vaccine, DeSantis is "prioritizing" it for them. And I don't give a flying fig that he isn't "mandating it." Recommending and prioritizing people take something that might kill them is just not okay in my book.

I don't know if there's stats somewhere on this but at least in the Florida hospital I know, there was a massive vaccine distribution and even doctors and nurses that don't particularly work with seniors not only got vaccines but were seemingly mildly pressured into getting them.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Yes, DeSantis and Noem are terrible. I don't even know what's going on here. They were both in Congress and we saw how they voted on federal issues. Now all of a sudden they are good because of one hot button issue?

It's because they are Republican. This forum has gone all Republicans vs. Demoncrats instead of liberty vs tyranny.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Says the useful idiot who always says it’s all a big useless charade.

Neg rep. You didn't know it's a charade?

By the way, wrestling is fake too.
And Santa Claus isn't real either.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Rand probably won't run again, especially with all the voter fraud that happened in this election. It'll easily be used against him in the primaries and the general election if he were to actually make it that far.

 

[nikcers]

 

[Matt Collins]

AND ACCORDING TO DR. FAUCI THEY ARE THE MOST LIKELY TO DIE FROM A REACTION TO THE VACCINE! IN WHAT PERVERTED UNIVERSE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!

Can anything that Fauci says be believed?

As far as elderly dying from the vaccine, I think it depends on how that is defined. The devil is in the details as always.

 

[tommyrp12]

Rand Paul? Nah. He's way too beta. He's much too wishy-washy. We need a virile alpha male. The kind who won't cuck to the establishment by appointing Deep State people to his administration. The kind who won't knuckle under to political threats from the likes of Mitch McConnell by pardoning rappers and corrupt Democrat mayors instead of unjustly persecuted heroes like Julian Assange. We need someone who won't back down from a fight, a fierce warrior who will boldly take the fight to where it really belongs: Twitter. You know, that kind of person.

Problem solved.

 

[jmdrake]

Can anything that Fauci says be believed?

Yes. There is a simple principle in law that even a lying witness can be believed if he testifies against his own agenda. Dr. Fauci's agenda is to get as many people to take the vaccine as possible.

As far as elderly dying from the vaccine, I think it depends on how that is defined. The devil is in the details as always.

If you would risk your elderly mother's health on an untested vaccine that early results show may be killing old people then you are not very bright. I'm pretty sure you are smarter than that though. The "details" are this fvcking vaccine is untested. The priority, if anything, should be healthy people taking it to build up herd immunity.

 

[69360]

I think Rand should and would do well. He emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted. A lot of other potential 24 candidates reek of Trump.

 

[Matt Collins]

If you would risk your elderly mother's health on an untested vaccine that early results show may be killing old people then you are not very bright.

Typically I would agree but I think it would depend on her other risk factors. What is more likely to kill her, the virus or the vaccine? I would in general of course sway on the side against taking the vaccine by default, unless having a good reason to think otherwise.

The priority, if anything, should be healthy people taking it to build up herd immunity.

He isn't forcing it on anyone, he is simply making it available to the highest risk group in case they want to take it.

 

[acptulsa]

He isn't forcing it on anyone, he is simply making it available to the highest risk group in case they want to take it.

The man made the point that DeSantis used his bully pulpit to promote extremely risky behavior. Care to address that point? Or are you just going to continue trying to deflect from it by repeating yourself?

 

[jmdrake]

Typically I would agree but I think it would depend on her other risk factors. What is more likely to kill her, the virus or the vaccine? I would in general of course sway on the side against taking the vaccine by default, unless having a good reason to think otherwise.

The vaccine of course. You can protect someone from getting the virus by making sure he/she is not exposed. That's the whole point of herd immunity. Individual members of the herd don't need to have immunity to be protected from the virus.

He isn't forcing it on anyone, he is simply making it available to the highest risk group in case they want to take it.

He is making it available to the group that's at the highest risk from dying from the vaccine itself. I'm not sure why that isn't sinking in.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

A lot of seniors both want to see people in person but also know a lot of those people haven't been vaccinated yet so why not give those seniors the choice to take the vaccine early?

Herd immunity will eventually happen but it'll take a lot of time to get enough vaccines produced for that.

In the meantime if you're young and healthy you're free to try to get the virus yourself if you want to do the country a favor, as long as you self-quarantine afterwards. Going out while infected in public, though, is the equivalent of randomly firing bullets in the air and just hoping they don't hit anyone.

 

[Matt Collins]

He is making it available to the group that's at the highest risk from dying from the vaccine itself.

Well he can't deny it to them.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Or maybe a DJT / Paul ticket in 2024 could work

Assuming Trump even runs again/doesn't get convicted by the Senate next week.

 

[fcreature]

They're Republicans. Bend 'em over and violate their bungholes repeatedly without so much as a kiss or a reacharound and they just keep coming back for more. They know the MSM hates them, but keep nominating the RINOs the MSM talks about the most because God forbid they grow enough principles to vote for a loser.

It's what makes them such delightfully useful idiots.

Republicans are here? Can you name a single one?

I may be registered Republican right now so that I can vote for liberty candidates in primaries, but surely that's not what you are referring to.

 

[fcreature]

I think Rand should and would do well. He emerged from the Trump fiasco untainted. A lot of other potential 24 candidates reek of Trump.

Sure, untainted to you. But very much tainted for the majority of the Republican base. Where else will he run? The Libertarian party (LOL!)? As a Democrat? Those people want him dead.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still support his run in a heartbeat but he has no viable path to even a performance that would top his last.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Why bother? Pence/Haley has already been chosen. Doubt Rand is interested any more.

I’d prefer DeSantis/Noem. Then bring Rand into the Cabinet.

That ticket has no chance of winning. 75 million Americans are pissed off that Pence didn't overturn the election results. I highly doubt after 4 years Pence will be forgiven, if at all. His political career is over as far as I'm concerned. The GOP in general is burnt toast right now. They could very likely go 20-30 years without winning presidential elections.

 

[jmdrake]

The man made the point that DeSantis used his bully pulpit to promote extremely risky behavior. Care to address that point? Or are you just going to continue trying to deflect from it by repeating yourself?

Well he can't deny it to them.

Matt, seriously? It's one thing to say "Well the vaccines out there so you can take it if you want." It's another thing to take taxpayer dollars and direct those dollars to purchasing the vaccine and direct those purchases to people who are most likely to die from taking that vaccine. This is even worse than the "bully pulpit" argument that [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] pointed out. Your argument is like saying "Well if the government doesn't pay for abortions and advocate for women having abortions than women are being denied abortions."