Rachel Maddow: Will Ron Paul’s Success Alter the GOP?

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Rachel Maddow: Will Ron Paul’s Success Alter the GOP?



The McCain tool declaims every party as 'dysfunctional' if they don't fall in line.

Watch this. It is HUGELY important to do a money bomb for 'our' state parties, imho. THey are just saying they won't get any money, so they will lose any influence.
 
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The McCain tool declaims every party as 'dysfunctional' if they don't fall in line.

Watch this. It is HUGELY important to do a money bomb for 'our' state parties, imho. THey are just saying they won't get any money, so they will lose any influence.


So what states should be donated to? I have been trying to organize more here in Ky, but will try to pass around some money to some other states to help as well.
 
He likes to use 'dysfunctional' a lot, but he gives some good insight into the mindset of the people in power of both the national parties.

When they erect a shadow party, that means they are waiting for the real one to dry up.
 
Unfortunately Conservatives will not hear this since MSNBC has no credibility and they only listen to Foxnews, Rush Bimbo, Shamitty and Shill Levin which will not cover it. For some reason when it comes to Ron Paul, Maddow has been dead-on factual lately. Probably only because it is a chance for her to attack to the Republican party.
 
Mitt Romney won 1144 sheep. The problem is he is offering the sheep a stall to stand in for the rest of their lives, while Ron Paul is offering freedom to graze. The delegates are the deciders and they hate Romney.

The reason the GOP is extremely worried is not because they think Ron Paul might win. It is because Obama has an army of college age grass roots who will go door to door to get out the vote, and Romney does not. They know Ron Paul has an army that is just as formidable as Obama does, and we can get out the vote just as well as Obamas supporters.
 
How do you come to that conclusion? Are you saying that Mitt Romney has a better Grass roots than we do? If so give me some of what your smoking.

I'm saying we fail at getting out the vote. Hell, half the people that claim to support paul don't vote because they are morally opposed to it or don't bother to register in the correct party.
 
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I'm saying we fail at getting out the vote. Hell, half the people that claim to support paul don't vote because they are morally opposed to it or don't bother to register in the correct party.

If you look at the best GOTV example we have in our so-called movement it would be Rand Paul's election, run by many of the same people involved in Ron's campaign. But Rand didn't reach out to the vocal groups of people I mentioned in my above quote. He went after the sure-to-vote GOP voter. Sure, those groups of non-republicans and non-voters don't like Rand, but he GOTV better and won.
 
Well I never expected the national RNC to be throwing funds toward the movement to begin with, unless it took it over that, too.

I just figured taking the state level positions gave a network as well as means to raise more funds for liberty candidates. Particularly in general election-safe red areas.

It's not like we aren't on the bottom already with nowhere to go but up at moment anyway. At this point, if they can manage raise a lopsided sum of funds for like single targeted bids per year it's a bonus.

Naturally the establishment GOP isn't going to be forking over loads of monies to fund people that aren't their own. I could care less, they're already against us. That is recognized.
All I care about, is that they can moneyflood and flip target primary races into wins, and that the establishment's little votey minions are going to vote in the general election, for sake of the magical letter beside the name of whoever wins the party primary.

After some wins, they'd recognize it was a strategy worth leaving alone to it's devices. Hell the average voter usually doesn't care if the incumbent eats children, so long as he's got the magical letter. It takes an advantage of money to dig them out; they're like ticks.

That all might take time though, which is why it worries me when Ron Paul folks get all pissy when the party is dickish to them at conventions. They'd have to come back again, or they'd slip back in and just take it all back over.

My line of thinking anyway.
 
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Certainly, the GOP will be altered as a result of its own failures, regardless of Ron Paul being successful or not; which, Ron Paul most undoubtedly is. The time of the “fat cats” of privilege has past.
 
This guy is decrying because the national party can't break rule 11 in ALL states because of so called "disfunctional" state parties?

edit: Oh no, "Insurgent state parties"
 
Interesting vid...

Sounded like the guy at the end was openly threatening to de-fund the RNC in states that back RP.

In real life I hear that the bully is taking his ball and leaving the sandbox 'cause his mom-n-pop own the school yard.

Maddow heard the same as I did about the law suit......Go for it!

This very well could be the stone that upsets the apple cart.
 
No, what the guy at the end was saying was that it's the job of the state GOP organizations to see to it that state, county and local Republicans gets elected (which is what the national GOP funds them for) - and if the state organizations aren't focusing on that job then the national GOP will deal with the county, local or other organizations that are.

I haven't been following the state organizations which have been taken over by the Paul forces. Are they focusing on the state and local GOP races, or are they focused on what they intend to do at the national GOP convention?

If that is the goal of the GOP subdivisions, then why would'nt they solely focus on national politics and gubanatorial races? Because really, with gerrymandering, there is no "trying" to win local elections anymore. You're either in a red area or a blue area, and you either field a candidate for a seat you know will win or you don't field a candidate that the opposing party will win.

The national GOP just wants 50 lapdogs to carry out their bidding on the state level, with underlings below them to deliver fresh blood. If a local GOP organization were pimping for Romney and not focusing at all on local politics, the national GOP wouldn't have a problem with that. It's simply that some of us are using thier system to back a guy they don't like, so they're doing everything that they can to make the disturbance go away.

If they cared about representing people and being a voice to the non-Democrats, they should welcome the Paul supporters, try to understand why we're not happy with Romney, and be open to change. But they only care about staying at the helm of the ship. They don't care that it's already struck an iceberg and taking on water.

Right now there's still hope among some of us that we can "mutiny" and take over the GOP ship before she sinks. I think the smarter move is to head to the life boats before the entire party capsizes into irrelevance.
 
It'd help me to understand better if I could see a simple money tree showing where the money comes from then how it's allocated.

I've got a cyber nickle to bet that those states who are "yes-men" get the most money...

One more cyber nickle that the vast majority of money comes from "big-business" (banks/pharma/agri, etc)
 
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