Rachael Maddow Book - Drift - IT'S WORKING GUYS!! THEY ARE SLOWLY GETTING IT!

[NewRightLibertarian]

Pretty much this. She realizes she has a few Ron Paul viewers and so she likes to play with them a little bit. And in bold, I laughed. So true.

Some people are just gluttons for punishment. Same assholes who watch that Young Turks scumbag Cenk, they got no sense

 

[specsaregood]

Well I guess some network could put her on live from her jail cell

They could call it "you've got a visitor" and film the whole thing from behind a glass wall, and over a telephone handset. probably be a ratings bonanza!

 

[Okie RP fan]

Some people are just gluttons for punishment. Same assholes who watch that Young Turks scumbag Cenk, they got no sense

I don't know what it is, but, I hope some people realize that we truly have no friends in the media. And, I don't think I want a "friend" in the media who pushes Obama and leftist policies as Maddow does.

 

[JasonM]

she's a silly, twisted ideologue that's 'pandering' to the anti-war left because people are tired of her bullshit and her ratings are slipping. she is a manipulative bullshit artist, and that will never change. she sells lies for a living and if you think she's 'coming our way', i think you are deluding yourself. real change would be getting her ass off the air, along with people like her, and replacing them with people with a modicum of decency.

her being against some wars now in a book is great. i have a feeling if she had really changed, she'd be as vitriolic against Obama on air as she was against Bush. But she's not, because as I stated in point 1, she's a freaking far left ideologue.

You don't have to agree with her politics, but that shouldn't prevent you from considering what she's saying here, and she actually wrote a great book on the topic of the military industrial complex.

Go read some of the Amazon reviews if you don't believe me. If you are against the wars, this is a good read.

 

[airborne373]

That's where you are wrong. If you want to make people change their behavior, you don't just "punish" the bad stuff they do or say via things like hate mail. You REWARD them when they actually get it right.

I bought the book for the kindle app on my IPAD, and already I'm liking the intro. Talking about some of the wasteful spending on the Afghanistan war, like how some of that war money went to build houses for rich people in the Capital that don't even live in the country due to the unsafe conditions.

Again, I'm not endorsing any of her views, but when they get things right you have to give them KUDOS for it.

First she is pro-war now she is anti-war and you think she has had a conversion? This woman is a trained, paid propagandist who is echoing an anti-war sentiment already held by around 3 out 4 Americans. I need to see alot more action on the part of the race - baiting Maddow to believe she is anything other than an establishment media whore.

 

[JasonM]

First she is pro-war now she is anti-war and you think she has had a conversion? This woman is a trained, paid propagandist who is echoing an anti-war sentiment already held by around 3 out 4 Americans. I need to see alot more action on the part of the race - baiting Maddow to believe she is anything other than an establishment media whore.

You don't suspect that John Stewart has been quietly bringing her around to the anti-war side lately?

 

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#RachelMaddow is a blatant and unapologetic #Propagandist. I give you the #LeanForward ads...INCREDIBLE-in-a-bad-way for highest-profile #MainstreamMedia STARS straightforwardly pimping #BigGovernment. LISTEN TO HER talk about how America's days of "BIG PROJECTS" are not over, blah, blah. NOT A TRACE OF ECONOMIC REALITY.

#RachelMaddow launched an APPALLING self-promotion junket this week...I mean, EMBARRASSING. Even MORE embarrassingly, that did not stop her for impugning the Republican Primary Book Tour (which is ALSO embarrassing).

While Hardright Republicans compel the GOP candidates HARDER RIGHT, #RachelMaddow & Co. (wisely) segue to ANTI WAR...(realistically) assuming that Republicans upping the WEIRDNESS ante by attacking #BirthControl (and reminding people how SEXIST is The Old Boy Network), the time is ripe to re-woo disillusioned Moderates. New York Times front page, above the fold, lately blared that MORE & MORE PEOPLE WANNA LEAVE AFGHANISTAN.

YOU PEOPLE know better than anyone the machinations behind NOT MITT. Neither Gingrich nor Santorum would still be in the race, but for NOT MITT. Cain and Perry would never have ENTERED, but for NOT MITT.

NOT HARDRIGHT is resonating in the Middle.

#RachelMaddow is NOT a Uniter. She is FAR "Left", and she is ATHLETICALLY swinging for Obama.

I keep HEARING that Liberty is popular, but I keep SEEING Americans tow ANY LINE AUTHORITIES ISSUE.

It's a goddamn shame that New York Times is no longer PAPER OF RECORD. It's a goddamn shame that "Free and Independent Press" is NEITHER and that, as a direct result, Press is not TRUSTWORTHY.

That said, the New York Times is NOT a supermarket tabloid. ANTI WAR is gaining traction.

And "suddenly" the Machine on the other "side" sees the light. It is NOT too late for Ron Paul Supporters to get VIRULENTLY & SUSTAINEDLY Anti War. They DID, after all, start out that way.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ANTI WAR? 6/12/11: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?298109-What-happened-to-ANTI-WAR

Relegated to Hot Topics.

For a CHANGE, rather than bemoaning that other people are "stealing" Ron Paul's ideas ("stolen" from yet Others), CELEBRATE the shift in discourse. Rather than dismissing Copycats and Thieves...AND RATHER THAN GOING FURTHER "OUT THERE" ON AN ISSUE BECAUSE 'NEW PEOPLE' DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROBLEM...double-down specifically where and at the level at which the issues ARE resonating.

Theoretically (stipulating the difficulty of "changing people's minds"), it would be comparatively easy for Ron Paul and studied, articulate Supporters WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING THIS TALK FOR DECADES, to persuade ANTI WAR people of the righteousness of freedom-oriented fiscal prudence.

The HARDRIGHT thing is the problem. Shocker. There is NOTHING libertarian about Hardright Republicanism.

 

[airborne373]

You don't suspect that John Stewart has been quietly bringing her around to the anti-war side lately?

NO. Rachel Maddow is an intelligent sophisticated individual with access. She knows what is going on and has been facilitating the enslavement of the America people.

 

[thoughtomator]

NO. Rachel Maddow is ... intelligent

that's subjective to one's frame of reference

 

[FrankRep]

Rachael Maddow Book - Drift - IT'S WORKING GUYS!! THEY ARE SLOWLY GETTING IT!

 

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DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN was under consideration as the theme for an April Fools Day chip-in, was it not?

 

[jolynna]

Seriously? This is what we're becoming? The Koch Brothers are evil ,and Rachel Maddow is a must-read.

I haven't read Rachel Maddow's book, but maybe so.

I have a pretty low opinion of the Koch brothers. I check Glenn Greenwald's column every day. I'm closer to more progressives than conservatives in being anti-war and VERY pro-civil liberties. So is Ron Paul.

And before you all judge my political leanings. I've contributed time and money to the GOP for YEARS. I talk to one of our state's congressmen all the time. He and his wife are even coming to my house for dinner. Along with some bankers. ALL OF US (and I mean my husband, the bankers and the congressman and his wife) would probably be closer to the views expressed in Rachael Maddow's book THAN those the Koch brothers espouse.

In my opinion.

 

[JasonM]

#RachelMaddow is a blatant and unapologetic #Propagandist. I give you the #LeanForward ads...INCREDIBLE-in-a-bad-way for highest-profile #MainstreamMedia STARS straightforwardly pimping #BigGovernment. LISTEN TO HER talk about how America's days of "BIG PROJECTS" are not over, blah, blah. NOT A TRACE OF ECONOMIC REALITY.

#RachelMaddow launched an APPALLING self-promotion junket this week...I mean, EMBARRASSING. Even MORE embarrassingly, that did not stop her for impugning the Republican Primary Book Tour (which is ALSO embarrassing).

While Hardright Republicans compel the GOP candidates HARDER RIGHT, #RachelMaddow & Co. (wisely) segue to ANTI WAR...(realistically) assuming that Republicans upping the WEIRDNESS ante by attacking #BirthControl (and reminding people how SEXIST is The Old Boy Network), the time is ripe to re-woo disillusioned Moderates. New York Times front page, above the fold, lately blared that MORE & MORE PEOPLE WANNA LEAVE AFGHANISTAN.

YOU PEOPLE know better than anyone the machinations behind NOT MITT. Neither Gingrich nor Santorum would still be in the race, but for NOT MITT. Cain and Perry would never have ENTERED, but for NOT MITT.

NOT HARDRIGHT is resonating in the Middle.

#RachelMaddow is NOT a Uniter.

I keep HEARING that Liberty is popular, but I keep SEEING Americans tow ANY LINE AUTHORITIES ISSUE.

It's a goddamn shame that New York Times is no longer PAPER OF RECORD. It's a goddamn shame that "Free and Independent Press" is NEITHER and that, as a direct result, Press is not TRUSTWORTHY.

That said, the New York Times is NOT a supermarket tabloid. ANTI WAR is gaining traction.

And "suddenly" the Machine on the other "side" sees the light. It is NOT too late for Ron Paul Supporters to get VIRULENTLY & SUSTAINEDLY Anti War. They DID, after all, start out that way.

For a CHANGE, rather than bemoaning that other people are "stealing" Ron Paul's ideas ("stolen" from yet Others), CELEBRATE the shift in discourse. Rather than dismissing Copycats and Thieves...AND RATHER THAN GOING FURTHER "OUT THERE" ON AN ISSUE BECAUSE 'NEW PEOPLE' DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROBLEM...double-down specifically on the issues that ARE resonating. Theoretically (stipulating the difficulty of "changing people's minds"), it would be comparatively easy for Ron Paul and studied, articulate Supporters WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING THIS TALK FOR DECADES, to sway ANTI WAR freedom-oriented Fiscal Prudence.

The HARDRIGHT thing is the problem. Shocker. There is NOTHING libertarian about Hardright Republicanism.

EXACTLY!! I would also add that HARD-LEFT thing is the problem too. HARD LEFT or HARD RIGHT, it's always a HARD ON for any solutions that involve an increase in Federal and Police powers.

The only way to solve this problem is not dismissing new people on either side and marginalizing them in our group whenever they show that they don't "get it" yet. We end up marginalizing ourselves if we do. We win by uniting with people only on the issues where they have it right. So when Rachel Maddow writes a book about how bad the wars are, we get behind it 100%. And when someone on the Hard Left starts pushing something related to fiscal conservatism and criticism of the FED, we give them an EPIC head nod supporting them.

Libertarians are never going to agree on a lot of things with Liberals, but Liberals and Conservatives can unite with Libertarians when it comes to the war issue. And we all know the national security state is majorly messed up, but it takes a major public uprising for them to give back the power Congress has wrongly taken for itself in the name of security.

It's called BUILDING A COALITION PEOPLE. And unlike the occupy movement, or the tea party movement, we have someone to Unite Around. Someone special, someone to emulate. That person is Ron Paul. And he may not win an election this year, but 4 years, 8 years, our movement will outshine the Tea Parties and Occupy Movements of this world. And if things fall apart in the US, then it isn't a time to run but our moment of Truth to win yet more elections.

And if they suspend elections, then, well, we scream and protest and join with our countrymen to get our elections back. And when we get the elections back, THAT is when we will win by a landslide and disarm the federal government that took away the elections. And we'll get rid of a hell of a lot of other bad legislation and bad CASE LAW along with it.

Just keep fighting and talking and uniting with people when you find something you can agree on.

 

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#RachelMaddow is a blatant and unapologetic #Propagandist. I give you the #LeanForward ads...INCREDIBLE-in-a-bad-way for highest-profile #MainstreamMedia STARS straightforwardly pimping #BigGovernment. LISTEN TO HER talk about how America's days of "BIG PROJECTS" are not over, blah, blah. NOT A TRACE OF ECONOMIC REALITY.

#RachelMaddow launched an APPALLING self-promotion junket this week...I mean, EMBARRASSING. Even MORE embarrassingly, that did not stop her for impugning the Republican Primary Book Tour (which is ALSO embarrassing).

While Hardright Republicans compel the GOP candidates HARDER RIGHT, #RachelMaddow & Co. (wisely) segue to ANTI WAR...(realistically) assuming that Republicans upping the WEIRDNESS ante by attacking #BirthControl (and reminding people how SEXIST is The Old Boy Network), the time is ripe to re-woo disillusioned Moderates. New York Times front page, above the fold, lately blared that MORE & MORE PEOPLE WANNA LEAVE AFGHANISTAN.

YOU PEOPLE know better than anyone the machinations behind NOT MITT. Neither Gingrich nor Santorum would still be in the race, but for NOT MITT. Cain and Perry would never have ENTERED, but for NOT MITT.

NOT HARDRIGHT is resonating in the Middle.

#RachelMaddow is NOT a Uniter. She is FAR "Left", and she is ATHLETICALLY swinging for Obama.

I keep HEARING that Liberty is popular, but I keep SEEING Americans tow ANY LINE AUTHORITIES ISSUE.

It's a goddamn shame that New York Times is no longer PAPER OF RECORD. It's a goddamn shame that "Free and Independent Press" is NEITHER and that, as a direct result, Press is not TRUSTWORTHY.

That said, the New York Times is NOT a supermarket tabloid. ANTI WAR is gaining traction.

And "suddenly" the Machine on the other "side" sees the light. It is NOT too late for Ron Paul Supporters to get VIRULENTLY & SUSTAINEDLY Anti War. They DID, after all, start out that way.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ANTI WAR? 6/12/11: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?298109-What-happened-to-ANTI-WAR

Relegated to Hot Topics.

For a CHANGE, rather than bemoaning that other people are "stealing" Ron Paul's ideas ("stolen" from yet Others), CELEBRATE the shift in discourse. Rather than dismissing Copycats and Thieves...AND RATHER THAN GOING FURTHER "OUT THERE" ON AN ISSUE BECAUSE 'NEW PEOPLE' DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROBLEM...double-down specifically where and at the level at which the issues ARE resonating.

Theoretically (stipulating the difficulty of "changing people's minds"), it would be comparatively easy for Ron Paul and studied, articulate Supporters WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING THIS TALK FOR DECADES, to persuade ANTI WAR people of the righteousness of freedom-oriented fiscal prudence.

The HARDRIGHT thing is the problem. Shocker. There is NOTHING libertarian about Hardright Republicanism.

EXACTLY!! I would also add that HARD-LEFT thing is the problem too. HARD LEFT or HARD RIGHT, it's always a HARD ON for any solutions that involve an increase in Federal and Police powers.

The only way to solve this problem is not dismissing new people on either side and marginalizing them in our group whenever they show that they don't "get it" yet. We end up marginalizing ourselves if we do. We win by uniting with people only on the issues where they have it right. So when Rachel Maddow writes a book about how bad the wars are, we get behind it 100%. And when someone on the Hard Left starts pushing something related to fiscal conservatism and criticism of the FED, we give them an EPIC head nod supporting them.

We are NOT on the same page, you and I. I was typing the above Edit IN BOLD while you were pimping Maddow's book.

I wouldn't buy Rachel Maddow's book if it were the only English volume in the hotel gift shop in a faraway land.

 

[Carlybee]

I doubt I will read it but I will support her right to write it. First amendment isn't selective.

 

[JasonM]

We are NOT on the same page, you and I. I was typing the above Edit IN BOLD while you were pimping Maddow's book.

I wouldn't buy Rachel Maddow's book if it were the only English volume in the hotel gift shop in a faraway land.

I think you misunderstand. I'm just saying when anyone on the Hard Left (even Rachel Maddow) espouses an anti-war sentiment, we need to give them kudos for it because Ron Paul is anti-war too. I think most people in the media actually believe their own BS as much as the people who watch their show, I don't think they are actually in cahoots with the owners of the news media in enslaving the population.

Useful idiots as they say.

 

[angelatc]

That said, the New York Times is NOT a supermarket tabloid. ANTI WAR is gaining traction.

There is nobody as blind as those who will not see. Anti War won the 2006 and 2008 elections. In 201o, nobody ran on that platform so the perceived fiscal conservatives won.

So it makes sense that the Anti War left would emerge now. It also makes sense that Obama would start bringing troops home now. It also stands to reason that after he wins in 2012, he'll head into Iran, which will make the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq look like walks in the park. Iran isn't some bullshit ragtag group of civilians with glorified sticks.

And I'm sorry - you can't claim be a fucking progressive and still support Ron Paul unless you're only using him for his anti-war position. The progressives are Socialists - capital S - and they don't fucking beelieve in this movement. The GOP let them in, and look what happened.

The Koch Brothers are not the enemy (yet), and it's appalling that the left has managed to poison that well so successfully.

Here's how progressive Glenn Greenwald describes the Koch Brothers:

the libertarian billionaires who fund everything from right-wing economic policy, union-busting, and anti-climate-change advocacy to civil liberties and liberalized social policies

- those bastards.

Here's what he says about their role in political discussions:

.....the Koch Brothers now serve the same function for the Left as George Soros long served for the Right: the bogeymen who motivate the loyalists and on whom everything bad, including political losses, can be blamed.

There’s no question in my mind that the unrestrained power over the political process and both political parties enjoyed by oligarchs is the single greatest political problem the country faces — the overarching problem — but in the scheme of corporate and oligarchical dominance, the Koch Brothers are a small part of that dynamic. Nor do I believe that they’re motivated in their political activism by personal profit: for people with a net worth of $20 billion, there are vastly more efficient ways to convert one’s wealth into greater wealth than spending money to influence public policy; I think they’re True Believers.

So if you think that you can proudly use Glenn Greenwald to support your irrational aversion to all things Koch, I think you've just proved you're a cheap liberal tool, here to use the libertarian movement to end the war while you're hoping to steal all that money for social welfare. Which would be fair enough, except the Libertarians don't fight back.

 

[maskander]

Lots of accusations being flung around like monkey poo in here, I watch maddow whenever I can, she's the only one I like.

 

[jolynna]

I read Bill O'Reilly's "Killing Lincoln" too and since becoming anti-unprovoked war and anti-preventative war (as was Dwight Eisenhauer), I can't stand Bill O'Reilly. Doesn't mean I couldn't gain something from reading what he had to say.

Good heavens, if I'd have limited myself to ONLY reading books by people who are politically the same as ME, I'd NEVER have read End The Fed and would still be of the mindset I was when I was out campaigning for McCain.

The reason many people are NOT getting MORE excited about Ron Paul is because they are still stuck in the old left wing versus right wing ruts.


In my opinion.

 

[DEGuy]

There is nobody as blind as those who will not see. Anti War won the 2006 and 2008 elections. In 201o, nobody ran on that platform so the perceived fiscal conservatives won.

Anti-war played a part in 2000 also - George W ran on a non-interventionist platform.

I really hope someone runs on an anti-war/non-interventionist platform against Obama. If Obama tries to sell it (like in 2008), this time it'll be hard to justify the continuing debacle in Afghanistan, although I'm sure he'll come up with some sort of arrogant excuse for it. I only hope the Republican candidate (Ron Paul) takes him town on the war issue and makes it a center point of the campaign. Then will start seeing a some of Obamaniacs from 2008 not coming out to vote for him again in 2012.

On another note, the best part of the Jon Stewart interview was the exchange where they trashed both parties, and made a sarcastic comment about being in "good hands". One reason (the only really) I like Jon Stewart is because he often shows that both parties are doing a terrible job, and I think that gets people to be a little more open-minded about other candidates who don't "fit into the establishment mold". This helps us in the long run.