R.P. on animal cruelty?

[freedom-maniac]

As I've been trying to bring people into the Paul camaign, I've found a lot of online-activists who are about ending animal cruelty. I want to know if Dr. Paul has an opinion on this. At first I presumed from a libertarian point, he might not even care, but I really don't think Dr. Paul is that kind of person.

If anyone can help me, it might allow me to bring in some new web supporters. We need everyone we can get. Thanks!

 

[Matt_R]

Crimes of violence = State issue

 

[therealjjj77]

Yep, leave it to the states.

 

[Wingman]

I am not an expert on the Constitution but ROn Paul's personality will mean he will stand up virgoursly against animal cruelty. And he will use the full extend of the powers given by the Constitution and by congress to prevent animal cruelty across the nation.

Where his powers are limited and the States are able to rule, Ron Paul will go further and use politics to seek to guide the States towards the right behaviour.

That is wisdom. Currently the stance is to just impose everything willy nilly on the States.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

As I've been trying to bring people into the Paul camaign, I've found a lot of online-activists who are about ending animal cruelty. I want to know if Dr. Paul has an opinion on this. At first I presumed from a libertarian point, he might not even care, but I really don't think Dr. Paul is that kind of person.

If anyone can help me, it might allow me to bring in some new web supporters. We need everyone we can get. Thanks!

States decide.

 

[voytechs]

Not in the constitution.

 

[TheNewYorker]

I like my animals on my plate. Ron Paul, being a hunter, I'm sure he does too.

 

[TheNewYorker]

Show them this:

 

[murrayrothbard]

um animals don't have rights. Animal 'cruelty' may be disgusting but it isn't a violation of anyone's rights. (Unless of course someone is harming your animals)

 

[user]

Is there a story behind that picture?

 

[dmspilot00]

Is there a story behind that picture?

Isn't it obvious? The woman's pet deer got sick after eating Tide laundry detergent.

 

[nickcoons]

At first I presumed from a libertarian point, he might not even care, but I really don't think Dr. Paul is that kind of person.

Your assertion that the libertarian viewpoint is uncaring is inaccurate. It can be argued that the libertarian viewpoint is the only caring one, because it takes into consideration all of the effects of a decision, not just the end goal in a vacuum. Libertarians do not subscribe to an uncaring philosophy.

The Constitution doesn't grant the federal government the authority to legislate animal cruelty. This is up to the states, and it is therefore up to the people within each state to pressure their local governments into adopting the policies about animal cruelty that they wish to promote.

 

[askdrj]

Whats he doing ,trying to give first aid. Looks like he's feeling for a pulse.

 

[Lucid American]

Dr. Doolittle For Prez! Lol

 

[vegetarianrpfan]

um animals don't have rights. Animal 'cruelty' may be disgusting but it isn't a violation of anyone's rights. (Unless of course someone is harming your animals)

This is an opinion in the same way someone saying "interest rate cuts are good, they help the stock market" is. A lot of people do think that animals have some rights, in many cases people believe they have God-given rights just as people may have. This is debatable, but you shouldn't dismiss it out of hand and be one of those types of people we constantly deal with as Ron Paul supporters.

As a girl who supports both Ron Paul AND animal rights, I've noticed that many of the libertarian-minded girls who support Ron Paul are vegetarian, vegan, or supportive of animal rights. Liv the Ron Paul Girl is a vegan, as is Vegan Girl from vegangirl.com, who supports Ron Paul.

Check out what Vegan Girl had to say about why she supports the good doctor over other people like Dennis Kucinich (who is vegan):
http://vegangirl.com/a-vegans-case-for-ron-paul.html

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Libertarian Girl
http://www.libertariangirl.com

 

[PennCustom4RP]

What issue are we speaking of here? Livestock, pets, or wild animals?
If it is livestock, then it is a property issue, and no other. Those that own property tend to care for it in best interest, as this is what gives them greatest profit.
When Humans become more palatable, I may consider them, but this is unlikely...

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

There's hunting, and then there's animal cruelty. I'm sure Paul is fine with laws against the latter, if they're not federal (unless the Constitution was changed for some unlikely reason to allow for it). I know I am.

Hell, even Paul's fellow paleocon Pat Buchanan is apparently sympathetic to animal rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan#Animal_welfare

 

[LSUiLike]

All those laughing about animal rights disappoint me. I don't think you have to be a vegetarian to be pro-animal rights. Animals are living creatures that feel pain and the indifference for unethical treatment of animals I liken to the indifference some felt for slaves a long time ago. Not that slaves and animals are equivalent...

As has been said many times, though, this should be a state issue, not a federal issue.

 

[McDermit]

What issue are we speaking of here? Livestock, pets, or wild animals?
If it is livestock, then it is a property issue, and no other. Those that own property tend to care for it in best interest, as this is what gives them greatest profit.
When Humans become more palatable, I may consider them, but this is unlikely...

you won't win over the vegan/ar vote by voicing your opinion.

Leave your personal opinion out of it, unless you are going to say something positive and empathetic. I don't believe RP has made any statements on the matter. We should tell people that and drop it, or offer to check with HQ.


To an AR advocate, cruelty is cruelty regardless of when or where it occurs. And if you believe livestock is treated well, fairly, or humanely, you are VERY much mistaken. Factory farms are generally not great, and some are absolutely horrendous.

And if killing or otherwise abusing a domesticated animal (ie: a dog) is a crime, regardless of ownership, should the same not apply to other animals?

 

[freedom-maniac]

This is an opinion in the same way someone saying "interest rate cuts are good, they help the stock market" is. A lot of people do think that animals have some rights, in many cases people believe they have God-given rights just as people may have. This is debatable, but you shouldn't dismiss it out of hand and be one of those types of people we constantly deal with as Ron Paul supporters.

As a girl who supports both Ron Paul AND animal rights, I've noticed that many of the libertarian-minded girls who support Ron Paul are vegetarian, vegan, or supportive of animal rights. Liv the Ron Paul Girl is a vegan, as is Vegan Girl from vegangirl.com, who supports Ron Paul.

Check out what Vegan Girl had to say about why she supports the good doctor over other people like Dennis Kucinich (who is vegan):
http://vegangirl.com/a-vegans-case-for-ron-paul.html

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Libertarian Girl
http://www.libertariangirl.com

Thank you! Do you mind if I quote you! Many of the people I've come across are vegans too, and I believe they might be more supportive of R.P. by hearing it from another vegetarian.