Gary Johnson Questions whether employees are hostage to smoking environments

[BamaFanNKy]

Or more likely, because you want to distract from your lie about Ron Paul.

You are right, I apologize. Someone had told me Ron said differently. Googled it, I was wrong on Ron. Rand is the only one to walk it back. So, all of you can call Rand a sell out to Private Property rights.

 

[low preference guy]

So, all of you can call Rand a sell out to Private Property rights.

Rand didn't go out of his way unprompted to say that absolutely everything about the CRA was right and he has no objections with it.

If you want to call Rand a sellout, go ahead, but I think he is great.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Rand didn't go out of his way unprompted to say that absolutely everything about the CRA was right and he has no objections with it.

If you want to call Rand a sellout, go ahead, but I think he is great.

Neither did Gary but, you call him a sell out. Remember, I call both Rand and Gary great all the time and get called names by you. I also support Ron for President. Fact of the matter, you are hypocritical with your criticism.

 

[low preference guy]

Neither did Gary but, you call him a sell out.

Where?

This is going out of one's way unprompted to say everything about the CRA was fine:

When he made those statements, I thought to myself, “This is probably why I’m a Republican, because maybe I would not toe the (libertarian) line.” I’d like to think I would have signed the civil rights bill and wouldn’t have had any issues with it.

Read the part in bold.

 

[Agorism]

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but Johnson's biggest problem is he is so that his personality is so dry.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but Johnson's biggest problem is he is so that his personality is so dry.

hehe

 

[Dr.3D]

But then, I thought, what about the employees? Aren’t they hostage to a smoking environment, even if they don’t smoke?

No, they can always work some place where the employer(property owner) doesn't allow smoking.

 

[libertybrewcity]

Look, we have to stop this purity test. Gary Johnson is way better than most elected politicians. I appreciate Gary giving an honest statement here and I appreciate the fact that he's looking at the issue from both sides.

Now, I support Ron Paul, but I'm certainly not going to disparage anyone who has disagreements. I think we all must understand that with liberty, comes responsibility. And there are bound to be different lines for each individual as to how much of each they would like.

If we continue with this purity test of insinuating that anyone who disagrees with us is a statist, then we have no hope of regaining any liberty. The goal is to attract those that are interested in liberty and unite them. I think this kind of thing is harmful to our cause.

Yea, I wasn't really using this as a purity test. I like GJ a lot and he would probably be a great president if he could get elected. But, I found this and thought it was interesting. Not everything posted about GJ is negative.

 

[Meatwasp]

No, they can always work some place where the employer(property owner) doesn't allow smoking.

A man with a lot of sense

 

[jmdrake]

Whatever folks. Have your little spat about an issue that only hurts Ron and that nobody with a lick of sense cares about. (I don't know anyone dumb enough to want to open a whites only restaurant in 2011). The issue the federal government had already overstepped its bounds to control intrastate commerce decades before the CRA. Focus on that and RP gains grounds. Focus on the CRA and he seems like an anachronism.

 

[low preference guy]

Whatever folks. Have your little spat about an issue that only hurts Ron and that nobody with a lick of sense cares about. (I don't know anyone dumb enough to want to open a whites only restaurant in 2011).

Yeah, I don't know anyone dumb enough to want to say racist things in 2011. Let's stop defending the first amendment.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Johnson does not support a federal smoking ban. He just rambles occasionally while playing devil's advocate, and unfortunately did not finish this thought before he was interrupted with a new question.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Gary Johnson had 8 years to free New Mexico. New Mexico is no freer than any other State. I doubt he would achieve better results at the federal level unless perhaps he was in the Senate.

Gary also faced a very statist state legislature, where 2/3 of legislators were Democrats, and the 1/3 of the legislators who were Republicans were mostly big-government Republicans. Governors can't unilaterally slash government. Only the legislature can pass bills slashing government, and Governors can sign them into law. Governors can, however, using the veto pen, put the brakes on big government and prevent new big government legislation from coming into law. Gov. Johnson did just that -- in fact, he vetoed more bills than all the other 49 Governors in the country at that time combined. But he also did achieve a lot of positive results -- he got 14 tax cuts through the legislature, he was able to cut the size of state government by 1200 employees by managing attrition, when he left office he was one of only four Governors in the country who balanced their state budgets, he got significant welfare reform through the legislature, and he got entitlement reform through the legislature that cut state Medicaid spending by 25%. Also, his advocacy on issues like ending the War On Drugs shifted New Mexican opinions significantly, according to polls before and after Gov. Johnson began his anti-Drug War crusade. You might not think New Mexico is a libertarian paradise, but if you could see New Mexico after 8 years under any of the other gubernatorial candidates, compared to New Mexico after 8 years of Gov. Gary Johnson, I can guarantee you'd be able to see a VAST difference in terms of freedom and prosperity.

Furthermore, criticising Gov. Johnson for not having any success getting through to the legislature doesn't really fly as a way of promoting Ron Paul instead, who has spent decades in Congress being relegated to a dusty corner. Even in the height of his recent popularity, Ron Paul hasn't even been able to get a basic audit of the Fed implemented yet. I can't really think of any significant legislation that Paul has gotten passed or defeated. This isn't to knock Ron Paul -- it's just to point out how retarded it is to criticise Johnson for the same thing (especially since Johnson actually DOES have a handful of policy victories under his belt).

 

[Travlyr]

Gary also faced a very statist state legislature, where 2/3 of legislators were Democrats, and the 1/3 of the legislators who were Republicans were mostly big-government Republicans. Governors can't unilaterally slash government. Only the legislature can pass bills slashing government, and Governors can sign them into law. Governors can, however, using the veto pen, put the brakes on big government and prevent new big government legislation from coming into law. Gov. Johnson did just that -- in fact, he vetoed more bills than all the other 49 Governors in the country at that time combined. But he also did achieve a lot of positive results -- he got 14 tax cuts through the legislature, he was able to cut the size of state government by 1200 employees by managing attrition, when he left office he was one of only four Governors in the country who balanced their state budgets, he got significant welfare reform through the legislature, and he got entitlement reform through the legislature that cut state Medicaid spending by 25%. Also, his advocacy on issues like ending the War On Drugs shifted New Mexican opinions significantly, according to polls before and after Gov. Johnson began his anti-Drug War crusade. You might not think New Mexico is a libertarian paradise, but if you could see New Mexico after 8 years under any of the other gubernatorial candidates, compared to New Mexico after 8 years of Gov. Gary Johnson, I can guarantee you'd be able to see a VAST difference in terms of freedom and prosperity.

Furthermore, criticising Gov. Johnson for not having any success getting through to the legislature doesn't really fly as a way of promoting Ron Paul instead, who has spent decades in Congress being relegated to a dusty corner. Even in the height of his recent popularity, Ron Paul hasn't even been able to get a basic audit of the Fed implemented yet. I can't really think of any significant legislation that Paul has gotten passed or defeated. This isn't to knock Ron Paul -- it's just to point out how retarded it is to criticise Johnson for the same thing (especially since Johnson actually DOES have a handful of policy victories under his belt).

Waa ... Waa ... Bullshit.

Ron Paul is making a difference for the liberty movement around the entire world!

Dr. Paul is making that difference because he is a principled man.

The 'Round House' in New Mexico is just as corrupt today as the City of Chicago ever was. Johnson's failure to deliver lasting change in New Mexico is not a plus for him. The reason for his failure is because he is not consistent in his beliefs and not principled in his study. He would be much more effective for the liberty movement if he would just realize that we have to End The Fed before we can end the corruption.

Gary Johnson wants to be president. We don't need another president who will poll the people to find out which way the wind is blowing.

Gary Johnson should read what Ron Paul writes and support his candidacy ... not try and take supporters away from him. We need all the votes we can get in the primaries.

There is nothing retarded about pointing to the truth.

We need a principled man with a consistent message... and that man is Ron Paul 2012!

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, I don't know anyone dumb enough to want to say racist things in 2011. Let's stop defending the first amendment.

Well using your silly analogy, it would be like the first amendment was already gone and the only thing you were fighting for was the right to say racist things instead of standing up for the first amendment. But you're too locked into your position to see that. The federal government had already taken the power to tell private business what to do under FDR. Win that fight and you've actually restored property rights at the federal level without looking racist yourself. Repeal the CRA and the feds still have the power to plant drugs on your business and seize it, tell you what plants you can and can't grow and how much and heap all sorts of abuses on you. Oh but you can exclude blacks as your being abused.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Waa ... Waa ... Bullshit.

Ron Paul is making a difference for the liberty movement around the entire world!

Dr. Paul is making that difference because he is a principled man.

The 'Round House' in New Mexico is just as corrupt today as the City of Chicago ever was. Johnson's failure to deliver lasting change in New Mexico is not a plus for him. The reason for his failure is because he is not consistent in his beliefs and not principled in his study. He would be much more effective for the liberty movement if he would just realize that we have to End The Fed before we can end the corruption.

Gary Johnson wants to be president. We don't need another president who will poll the people to find out which way the wind is blowing.

Gary Johnson should read what Ron Paul writes and support his candidacy ... not try and take supporters away from him. We need all the votes we can get in the primaries.

There is nothing retarded about pointing to the truth.

We need a principled man with a consistent message... and that man is Ron Paul 2012!

Wow. Way to not respond to anything I said. Try re-reading my post and turning your brain in the on position.

And PS, Johnson made the case for abolishing the Fed on the Hannity Show last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpFjDVGY_ug

 

[Wren]

And PS, Johnson made the case for abolishing the Fed on the Hannity Show last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpFjDVGY_ug

Not really. He said if a bill of that sort came up to him, he would sign it, but he would not pursue the FED as his main priority.

 

[Travlyr]

Wow. Way to not respond to anything I said. Try re-reading my post and turning your brain in the on position.

And PS, Johnson made the case for abolishing the Fed on the Hannity Show last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpFjDVGY_ug

Dude, you are not going to get liberty, peace, and prosperity until you end the counterfeiting cabal of central bankers. Gary Johnson is not leading that fight.

My brain is on. Why don't you try to learn the truth and stop with the ad hominem attacks.

 

[ThyGivaOfRep]

why so many GJ apologists?

 

[Travlyr]

why so many GJ apologists?

Shrugs: I don't think they understand liberty ... that's all I can come up with.