Questions for Grassroots Central developer welcome

[ghemminger]

Yeah, that is one thing we are trying to correct. I was grassroots for 6 months before the campaign brought me on board and I know pretty well the grassroots' grievances... but when you see it from the other side, the thousands of calls and emails they get, you realize that the friction between the grassroots and the campaign has been and still is a big drain on both. The Precinct Leader program aims to mend that by offering a tool whereby the grassroots can still mobilize on its own but keep in contact with the campaign and be guided toward the most important activity, that is, getting out the vote, making use of our resources.

Awesome A2 I'm glad they brought you on. And I have friends on both sides...
It sounds like they are giving you authorization to cordinate witht the grassroots.

 

[jblosser]

When are we going to get voting history?

Like I keep saying, I am trying to act as organizer for one of the reddest counties in the coutry, and we need that data to know the 3 or 5 soft targets in each precinct so we can get their help.

Printing/merging two lists for all my people isn't good for me or you guys, it breaks the single form model.

 

[pilby]

i think it would be great if PL's could find out who neighboring PL's are and be able to interact with them. even possibly on the state level. i know it's already built in to see others in the same county, but my meetup group spans three counties and i have no idea who in the group is signed up (and i can coordinate with) and whom i need to harass

 

[a2planet2]

Yes Jim you might want to check with the campaign we have had limited communication with them because of FEC concerns and potential violations - we help raise money for PACs on this sight... Are you official HQ?

I am on official HQ staff; I work at the national office. FEC regulations are not an issue; the program is completely legal and I'm not gagged by any laws from helping people make use of our website.

 

[ghemminger]

A2 we are just starting to scratch the service of this in my area - keep up the good work?

 

[sharpsteve2003]

I've been promoting the heck out of the precinct leader program. Glad to see you reaching out as there is lots of confusion between delegates and precinct leaders or captains. seems that the title is used by GOP and others and people are not understanding this is for the Ron Paul campaign.

Also people think this is just to target Republicans for the primary and I try and explain that this can be used way beyond then to help Ron Paul. I refer you to a couple post I have put up.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28957

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=98301

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28954

 

[nullvalu]

I just logged in (hadn't been on in a week) and it looks like you already did the only thing I was going to suggest... to download in spreadsheet format. Awesome. Great work on the site, Adam.

 

[ghemminger]

I am on official HQ staff; I work at the national office. FEC regulations are not an issue; the program is completely legal and I'm not gagged by any laws from helping people make use of our website.

Yey! I wish we had you 4 months ago - you could have made the difference in this election A2

 

[sharpsteve2003]

MODERATOR WE NEED A STICKY ON THIS ASAP. PLEASE and THANK YOU!

 

[Michigan11]

There were enough people in the chat room discussing smoking pot and Jews ruling the planet, that we decided it would be better if people must be registered and logged in to use it. We took it down for the time being and we'll put it back up when it's customized to be only for registered PL's but in the meantime we've been too busy working on the PL site to get the chat room suited for use again.

Stay tuned...

Thanks for taking the time to answer. That makes sense.

 

[ghemminger]

I've been promoting the heck out of the precinct leader program. Glad to see you reaching out as there is lots of confusion between delegates and precinct leaders or captains. seems that the title is used by GOP and others and people are not understanding this is for the Ron Paul campaign.

Also people think this is just to target Republicans for the primary and I try and explain that this can be used way beyond then to help Ron Paul. I refer you to a couple post I have put up.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28957

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=98301

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/28954

Good Point! It would be great to know that we can use this way beyond a Ron Paul GOP run

 

[ghemminger]

A2 - CAN you set up daily update - communication thread hear at the forums? It would do wonders.....

 

[a2planet2]

there is much you can do to promote this - many I've talked to feel it is too late to PL for Feb 5th states - too little too late philosophy

I'm making a video in the office tomorrow about this. Yes, it's really short notice. But even at this stage, it's better that people ID their voters before seeking their vote. Voter ID saves enormous time, energy, and material resources. Even if people can't ID every voter in their precinct, some is better than none and targeting a few voters is better than taking potshots at many.

For Feb 5th states, I'd recommend running through the phone list for voter ID as fast as possible, skip door-to-door voter ID and targeted phone calls (the advocacy scripts aren't up yet anyway) and just doing calls/door-to-door campaigning toward all voters in your precinct whose minds aren't made up.

The most important thing to remember is that some 33% of voters will vote without having ever made up their minds, and some 70% of people that agree with Dr. Paul still won't even vote. So targeting those people that will actually vote is the #1 way to win the election in your precinct.

Also, for anti-vote-fraud purposes, having a sense of voters in your precinct will really give you leverage for a legitimate claim of ballot fraud, if you know how many Paul votes were expected.

 

[sharpsteve2003]

I wish, but there are security issues here. If people could add others outside their precinct, malicious users could load up our database with bad data. So long as Precinct Leaders are confined to their own precinct, the worst anyone can do is botch up their own precinct. Also, there are database issues... already just about every page runs like 5 database queries on large tables of data and if every user was generated info over multiple precincts/counties/states it would slow down the server.

Could we send info for these people to county or state coordinator that could enter it? I was thinking that way the person whose precinct they live in would then be able to see that they were a supporter and then could check with them to make sure they have info and whatnot to maybe even help out. I just see how this could bring everyone together and really get the grass roots going stronger than it already is. If a county coordinator was able to see every Ron Paul voter they could use that to bring in volunteers and work with meet ups and the like.

 

[a2planet2]

Awesome A2 I'm glad they brought you on. And I have friends on both sides...
It sounds like they are giving you authorization to cordinate witht the grassroots.

Thanks Ghemminger, the hope is that this system unites the entire campaign, grassroots and offiical alike.

 

[ghemminger]

I'm making a video in the office tomorrow about this. Yes, it's really short notice. But even at this stage, it's better that people ID their voters before seeking their vote. Voter ID saves enormous time, energy, and material resources. Even if people can't ID every voter in their precinct, some is better than none and targeting a few voters is better than taking potshots at many.

For Feb 5th states, I'd recommend running through the phone list for voter ID as fast as possible, skip door-to-door voter ID and targeted phone calls (the advocacy scripts aren't up yet anyway) and just doing calls/door-to-door campaigning toward all voters in your precinct whose minds aren't made up.

The most important thing to remember is that some 33% of voters will vote without having ever made up their minds, and some 70% of people that agree with Dr. Paul still won't even vote. So targeting those people that will actually vote is the #1 way to win the election in your precinct.

Also, for anti-vote-fraud purposes, having a sense of voters in your precinct will really give you leverage for a legitimate claim of ballot fraud, if you know how many Paul votes were expected.

WOW - A2 this is fricking HUGE - I hope you have this shorthand explanation on the website for people with the Feb 5th deadline - I will start promoting it.

We've had a lot of posters promoting the PL program - you could help take it to a whole different level...

 

[a2planet2]

When are we going to get voting history?

Like I keep saying, I am trying to act as organizer for one of the reddest counties in the coutry, and we need that data to know the 3 or 5 soft targets in each precinct so we can get their help.

Printing/merging two lists for all my people isn't good for me or you guys, it breaks the single form model.

I discussed this with the campaign, and the feeling is that voter history is a lousy predictor. Many, many experts have said that the #1 reason people vote is simply because they are asked to--by family, friends, people with common interests. We don't want to write off people who haven't voted before, we don't want to write off people who voted for Bush or McCain in 2000, we don't want to assume that people who didn't vote in recent years won't vote now. We want Precinct Leaders to talk to all voters in their precinct, find out whether or not they plan to vote, find out who they plan to vote for, find out if we can convince them to vote for Dr. Paul.

The earlier versions had all kinds of RNC micro-targeting data and even those seemed questionable. We want our precinct leaders to FIND OUT who is going to vote and who is going to vote for Paul, and we can't rely on RNC data, least of all voter history.

 

[sharpsteve2003]

The chat will be very useful when it gets back up. I was logging on there just to try and answer ?'s. since it's been gone I've been trying to answer questions in other forums and where ever I can. I've even been doing searches to help leaders find their precincts. Being I'm in MI and our primary is over I've been waiting to start hitting the people up, but plan on getting out and canvassing again as soon as this deep freeze passes and they've had a little break from politics.

 

[goretti]

Hi Adam!

Is there a way to consolidate our own posts? Read my last post and you'll understand why I would really like to know, Thanks!

 

[ghemminger]

Thanks Ghemminger, the hope is that this system unites the entire campaign, grassroots and offiical alike.

I've been around for awile - if you can pull this together A2 - (harness the incredible - boots on the ground - grassroots support) RP has - Rp might just win this thing.... Keep pushing - Some great minds on this forum - listen to them...