Putin signs law banning advertisements for abortion in Russia

[eduardo89]

I don't wish to ban anything related to this topic. I was speaking on the futility of banning advertising.

Here's the thing. If a problem exists, solve the problem. Banning advertisements and putting medical professionals and frightened women in prison does not solve the problem. It doesn't even begin to address the problem. Threatening and bribing people won't magically make abortion go away. Stop the perceived need for abortion. That takes education, building of self-esteem, and wealth generation. The state prohibits each one. The problem is the state.

Abortionists are medical professionals? hahahahaha what a joke. That's like calling a butcher a veterinarian.

 

[TER]

I agree, but it goes further, I believe. The family plays the foundation for healthy/unhealthy adulthood. A parent who squelches a child's natural respect for person hood is equally reprehensible.

This goes without saying! Those most responsible are the parents who raise children and a generation who one day promote and perform abortions and build their governments to do the same.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I agree, but it goes further, I believe. The family plays the foundation for healthy/unhealthy adulthood. A parent who squelches a child's natural respect for person hood is equally reprehensible.

+rep Thanks, I forgot that. ~hugs~

 

[eduardo89]

This is also reasonable because a woman can always go to Mexico or somewhere else where abortion is legal and have it done.

Abortion is illegal everywhere in Mexico except in Mexico City where it can be done during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. The right to life from the moment of conception is embodied in the constitutions of 18 of Mexico's 31 states.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Abortion is illegal everywhere in Mexico except in Mexico City where it can be done during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. The right to life from the moment of conception is embodied in the constitutions of 18 of Mexico's 31 states.

Sorry. Substitute the name of someplace where various types of abortions are legal where I wrote "Mexico". Thnx. ~hugz~

 

[thequietkid10]

So, advertising for infanticide is a slap to tyranny?

Assuming I equate abortion to infanticide YES IT IS TYRANNY.

 

[thequietkid10]

Ron Paul is pro-life. And Ron Paul would support the right of Putin to run his own nation as he sees fit.

FFS it's not his own person fiefdom

 

[Ranger29860]

Do you believe it is a person's right to promote [insert devious behavior here] to minors?

Go read the third link on the OP, clearly not a case of "promoting". Also I would counter your question with, Do you believe you have a right to stand on a sidewalk and hold up a pro second amendment sign while school bus just happens to pass or a kid happens to see the sign from the back of their parents car?

 

[TER]

Go read the third link on the OP, clearly not a case of "promoting". Also I would counter your question with, Do you believe you have a right to stand on a sidewalk and hold up a pro second amendment sign while school bus just happens to pass or a kid happens to see the sign from the back of their parents car?

I don't think you understand my point. In this country, traditionally it is not considered deviant behavior to promote the right to own a gun or the second amendment in general. It would be deviant however if someone held up a sign of two people having sex while a school bus drives by. This would be considered to be deviant behavior by the population at large, and this is the reason why such laws were created to prevent it.

Do you believe it should be allowed that a person holds up a pornographic sign in a place where a school bus can drive by?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't think you understand my point. In this country, traditionally it is not considered deviant behavior to promote the right to own a gun or the second amendment in general. It would be deviant however if someone held up a sign of two people having sex while a school bus drives by. This would be considered to be deviant behavior by the population at large, and this is the reason why such laws were created to prevent it.

Do you believe it should be allowed that a person holds up a pornographic sign in a place where a school bus can drive by?

Can drive by or does drive by as part of a regular route? That detail makes all the difference. A bus could drive by any place, but that doesn't make every place a likely destination.

 

[TER]

Can drive by or does drive by as part of a regular route? That detail makes all the difference. A bus could drive by any place, but that doesn't make every place a likely destination.

Why does that make a difference with regards to a public road?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Why does that make a difference with regards to a public road?

Likelyness of certain events are why cities are divided into districts (well, one reason). Likelyness also determines many laws and ordinances. It's possible that a minor child could see a pornographic sign in a "red light" district-but such images are to be expected in that area: even though public roads cut through them. This is the "reasonable man" standard in practice, basically.

 

[TER]

Likelyness of certain events are why cities are divided into districts (well, one reason). Likelyness also determines many laws and ordinances. It's possible that a minor child could see a pornographic sign in a "red light" district-but such images are to be expected in that area: even though public roads cut through them. This is the "reasonable man" standard in practice, basically.

I would be surprised to learn that a pornographic poster would be allowed to be displayed in a public outdoor space, whether it is a "red light" district or not. I have passed through red light districts (for example, in my two visits to Amsterdam), and though there were public displays of sexuality, public nudity and hard core images of sexual acts were forbidden IIRC.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I would be surprised to learn that a pornographic poster would be allowed to be displayed in a public outdoor space, whether it is a "red light" district or not. I have passed through red light districts (for example, in my two visits to Amsterdam), and though there were public displays of sexuality, public nudity and hard core images of sexual acts were forbidden IIRC.

Interesting. A Bulgarian friend of mine in college told me that one can find billboards with nudity on them in some areas of Europe.

 

[Ranger29860]

Do you believe it should be allowed that a person holds up a pornographic sign in a place where a school bus can drive by?

Sure, but it as much of a right for me to stand right in front of the person with a even bigger sign blocking it. The problem is your trying to draw this arbitrary line between what is "allowed" and what isn't under free speech. Your using the exhausted "for the kids" tactic. So how far of a reach would it be to say blocking 2nd amendment protesters in order to prevent school shootings and its all for "the kids", hell we already see this tactic practically used daily.

 

[eduardo89]

Interesting. A Bulgarian friend of mine in college told me that one can find billboards with nudity on them in some areas of Europe.

That's actually not true. I lived in Europe for 8 years and spent every summer there since I was a baby and never once saw a billboard with nudity.

 

[eduardo89]

Sorry. Substitute the name of someplace where various types of abortions are legal where I wrote "Mexico". Thnx. ~hugz~

If you want an abortion, go to Canada which has ZERO restrictions on when you can have an abortion. If a woman is 40 weeks pregnant she can legally murder her child. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Sure, but it as much of a right for me to stand right in front of the person with a even bigger sign blocking it. The problem is your trying to draw this arbitrary line between what is "allowed" and what isn't under free speech. Your using the exhausted "for the kids" tactic. So how far of a reach would it be to say blocking 2nd amendment protesters in order to prevent school shootings and its all for "the kids", hell we already see this tactic practically used daily.

This is a very good point. However, there is a doctrine in Common Law called the "Glaring Nuissance" (sometimes simply called "Nuissance"). In certain cases, it could be argued that a sign is a nuissance. In such cases a court (even a private court) could and probably would decide that action should be taken to stop the nuissance in question.

Food for thought.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If you want an abortion, go to Canada which has ZERO restrictions on when you can have an abortion. If a woman is 40 weeks pregnant she can legally murder her child. It's absolutely disgusting.

Sadz. :'(

 

[heavenlyboy34]

That's actually not true. I lived in Europe for 8 years and spent every summer there since I was a baby and never once saw a billboard with nudity.

I stand corrected, then. eta: Did your adventures take you through much of Eastern Europe?