Proof that Bob Barr STILL supports the War on Drugs!

[Menthol Patch]

In the following article Bob Barr makes it clear that he does not support ending the war on drugs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350248,00.html

The following exposes him as the same drug warrior he was a few years ago.

"No, I would not vote to legalize heroin and crack."

This is the same drug warrior who desired to put this paralyzed dying woman in prison so she could not have her medicine (which would be a death sentence).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOuRsnVny7Y

It's obvious the man that former Libertarian Party Political Director Ron Crickenberger called, "the most rabid Drug Warrior in Congress" has not changed!

Bob Barr does not deserve our support. Please sign the petition that asks the LP to remove him as their presidential candidate.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=154824

 

[gls]

He is also in favor of federal intervention in South America to combat "narco terrorists", as he wrote recently.

 

[Menthol Patch]

bump

 

[brunner]

Dude, I'm glad you're pointing this out, but seriously... Barr's message of tyranny has been the same all along. If Barr didn't suck so bad, Dr. Paul would have endorsed him right off the bat, as he did for BJ Lawson.

Even if you're brand new to libertarianism, that should have been a red flag.

It sucks that people are *just now* receptive to the idea that Barr is a douche bag, and not because of his positions, but because he insulted Dr. Paul... wtf?

(I'm not addressing any one person here specifically, of course... just venting, I guess.)

 

[speciallyblend]

no argument from me, i know his lying ways from ga. i thought he was a changed man,but i know this is false,especially after yesterday!!

 

[Menthol Patch]

Dude, I'm glad you're pointing this out, but seriously... Barr's message of tyranny has been the same all along. If Barr didn't suck so bad, Dr. Paul would have endorsed him right off the bat, as he did for BJ Lawson.

Even if you're brand new to libertarianism, that should have been a red flag.

It sucks that people are *just now* receptive to the idea that Barr is a douche bag, and not because of his positions, but because he insulted Dr. Paul... wtf?

(I'm not addressing any one person here specifically, of course... just venting, I guess.)

I agree.

 

[ARealConservative]

Legalization of crack and heroine while also providing a socialized nanny state would be a recipe for disaster.

Freedom works, but it requires actual freedom, not partial freedom. We need to be free to allow people to suffer for their poor choices if we want freedom to work.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Legalization of crack and heroine while also providing a socialized nanny state would be a recipe for disaster.

Freedom works, but it requires actual freedom, not partial freedom. We need to be free to allow people to suffer for their poor choices if we want freedom to work.

Anyone who does not support the legalization of all drugs is fascist.

 

[Imperial]

Legalization of crack and heroine while also providing a socialized nanny state would be a recipe for disaster.

Freedom works, but it requires actual freedom, not partial freedom. We need to be free to allow people to suffer for their poor choices if we want freedom to work.

+1. You can't go too fast with some things.

Anyone who does not support the legalization of all drugs is fascist.

Oh no, you called him a witch! Wait, no, that was Salem. He's a communist! No, wait, that was the 50s....Hmm...

We need a new label. I mean, neo-con, fascist, and communist are just so used. Let's just go with neo-fascist-con-communist witch.

 

[Menthol Patch]

+1. You can't go too fast with some things.



Oh no, you called him a witch! Wait, no, that was Salem. He's a communist! No, wait, that was the 50s....Hmm...

We need a new label. I mean, neo-con, fascist, and communist are just so used. Let's just go with neo-fascist-con-communist witch.

No, we need an end to the war on drugs right now.

 

[mudhoney]

Am I missing something here? You guys realize that Ron Paul wouldn't "vote to legalize" any drugs either, right? Ron Paul would let the states decide, which isn't the same thing as legalizing it, from a presidential candidate perspective. Oh and also, if you actually read the interview, he says several times that it should be up to the states.

This seems like yet another example of people really stretching to find dirt on Barr since he "converted".

Another post in this thread mentioned Barr supposedly supporting federal intervention in South America. I'd like to see their source for this. If it's the same article another anti-Barr person showed me, what Barr said wasn't anything close to "supporting intervention", unless you make assumptions.

Back on the topic of the war on drugs, an article written by Barr was released just yesterday on the subject here.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Menthol, are you sure you oppose every candidate? Every oneof your posts. ok 90% is about Barr.

 

[gls]

Am I missing something here? You guys realize that Ron Paul wouldn't "vote to legalize" any drugs either, right? Ron Paul would let the states decide, which isn't the same thing as legalizing it, from a presidential candidate perspective. Oh and also, if you actually read the interview, he says several times that it should be up to the states.

Incorrect. While Ron Paul consider it is a state's rights issue, unlike Barr he has come out in favor of the legalization of all drugs at all levels of government. Ron Paul is a strong proponent of individual liberty and does not let his personal opinions on drug use negate his principles.

Another post in this thread mentioned Barr supposedly supporting federal intervention in South America. I'd like to see their source for this. If it's the same article another anti-Barr person showed me, what Barr said wasn't anything close to "supporting intervention", unless you make assumptions.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/printedition/2008/03/19/barred0319.html

Afghanistan, fires smolder and burn elsewhere. Shifting at least a portion of that concern and those resources to South America, and especially to the Andean region that currently is near the boiling point, is critical to our security. There may not be weapons of mass destruction lurking in the jungles of Venezuela, Colombia or Ecuador (there weren't in Iraq either, of course), but arms are flowing into the area. Venezuela, for example, is buying billions of dollars worth of Russian military equipment. Leftist guerrillas and narco-terrorists remain firmly entrenched in the region, and evidence that other terrorist groups are using the area for problematic purposes is mounting.

He obfuscates and equivocates like the lawyer he is, but his point is well taken. He thinks the federal government should “shift” non-existent (hello, $9+ trillion debt) “resources” in order to oppose “leftist guerillas and narco-terrorists”. Any way you look at it that is not only unnecessary intervention, but it is intervention on befalf of the federal drug war he supposedly opposes.

More information on Bob Barr's currently held non-libertarian posistions, with sources, can be found here:

http://www.badbarr2008.com/

 

[Menthol Patch]

I oppose every candidate but Ron Paul.

 

[vodalian]

How could all of this suddenly be a surprise? Many people have been speaking out against Barr for months and people here just plugged their ears and said "LALALALLALA, NAYSAYER, LALALALALA, LIBERTARIAN, LALALALALA".

 

[Knightskye]

Troll.

That's his personal beliefs. Ron Paul would say the same thing. But it's not about him, it's about other people making their own choices.

Mod, please (at least) lock this thread.

 

[dannno]

He is also in favor of federal intervention in South America to combat "narco terrorists", as he wrote recently.

Wow.


He is so diametrically opposed to Paul on this issue, and many others.



By the way, the people here who are attempting to argue that we need to take away the nanny state first don't seem to understand the reasoning for legalizing drugs. The reasoning is that it will take away the black market, and drugs will lose their high profit margins.

Right now the nanny state is paying for people's addiction, but instead of paying actual cost they are paying an inflated cost. Gram for gram, cocaine and heroin cost about as much as gold. We are paying for people to buy gold.

We are wasting billions of dollars on the drug war so the people in the ghetto on welfare can buy something that is worth it's weight in gold, and the worst part is they literally piss it away into a golden shower of urine.

End the drug war NOW.

 

[dannno]

Troll.

That's his personal beliefs. Ron Paul would say the same thing. But it's not about him, it's about other people making their own choices.

Mod, please (at least) lock this thread.

They are beliefs that go against liberty. Barr is anti-liberty. Ron Paul and Nader are much more in favor of liberty than this schmuck, at least Nader wants to spend money on people here. Barr wants to spend it on drug wars and such nonsense. It's too bad the people that seem to be dedicated to barr here can't see past the end of their nose.

However... It doesn't go against the four points outlined by Ron Paul, so I support your right to vote for him, and I hope everybody votes third party. I just think there are other candidates who represent liberty more than Barr.

 

[JoshLowry]

Troll.

That's his personal beliefs. Ron Paul would say the same thing. But it's not about him, it's about other people making their own choices.

Am I missing something here? You guys realize that Ron Paul wouldn't "vote to legalize" any drugs either, right? Ron Paul would let the states decide, which isn't the same thing as legalizing it, from a presidential candidate perspective.

Actually he said that he would release all jailed non violent drug offenders.

If that's not legalizing all drugs, then I don't know what is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py1RTDcfjb0

A prison environment will not curb a persons path towards non-violence, and it's not exactly a great facility for an addicition recovery program.

 

[brandon]

Troll.

Yep, Bob Barr sure is. He is an epic troll, and quite successful.