Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Nirvikalpa]

I'm pro-choice before you spread your legs, pro-life after.

ding ding ding ding ding!

 

[nate4ron]

Personally, I am pro-life because of philosophical reasons; however, based on our Constitution, it is up for each sovereign state to decide on the issue.

I don't think making aborting illegal is going to solve the problem. I think the best way to tackle abortion is through education, and for family and friends to discuss the consequences of it.

No government can legislate good morals or compassion.

 

[ItsTime]

Being an upstanding agnostic of my community I am pro-life. I use to pro-choice then I smartened up. I still think its a states right. If you dont like the way that state decides then move.

 

[Fox McCloud]

how can we protect liberty if we don't protect life?

pro-life on all levels of government, though I'd definitely leave it up to the States.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Allan Keyes, with all his warts, provided this argument that the unborn already should enjoy all the rights, privileges, and immunities protected by the Constitution. Very compelling.

 

[Kade]

If your "pro-life" (which ironically I doubt) than don't choose to have an abortion.

Just because you philosophically believe blastocysts deserve to own property on another person, doesn't mean you ought to be forcing that shit on other people, especially when you are in the minority.

Cheers.

 

[cheapseats]

In that case, consider me not a "true libertarian." I believe it is the government's rightful purpose to protect against invasions of life, and that includes abortion.

No, you're not...not that that's a crime. But inasmuch as you are NOT a purist, perhaps you can re-visit some of the other positions that are stridently held. They may not all have been examined through to their logical conclusions.

In the case of abortion, you would COMPLETELY infringe upon the liberty of an autonomous human being in favor of protecting a "life" that cannot sustain itself.

It follows that some combination of family members are obliged to curtail their aspirations and activities in order to stay home with their senile, demented, Alzheimer relatives...I mean, those who can't afford private facilities. No government intervention, yes?

What do we care if it derails the quality and security of the lives of the living, so long as the Disadvantaged and Helpless are afforded maximum protection?

Rugged Individualist Libertarians are all about Survival Of The Fittest, no? I urge a Society to recognize that that which is afforded heroic protection is liable to survive over heartier, healthier specimens.

 

[cheapseats]

The problem is, with abortion you are dealing with two bodies and directly taking an action that is intended to terminate the life of another human being. To me, that's murder any way you look at it.

And yet, you are not up in arms over the countless innocents who have been killed in Iraq alone.

Why do not "Pro-Life" people enlist...the Armed Services are issuing ALL KINDS of waivers, like the Romans...and act as human shields for pregnant women in Iraq and Afghanistan? It couldn't NOT have a mitigating affect on bloodshed.

Or are we also cherry picking about which Life is sacrosanct?

Pro Life, Pro Liberty...is that not the party line? Where is the outrage over the MILLIONS of lives that languish behind bars for the grand crime of smoking pot?

 

[Kade]

And yet, you are not up in arms over the countless innocents who have been killed in Iraq alone.

Why do not "Pro-Life" people enlist...the Armed Services are issuing ALL KINDS of waivers, like the Romans...and act as human shields for pregnant women in Iraq and Afghanistan? It couldn't NOT have a mitigating affect on bloodshed.

Or are we also cherry picking about which Life is sacrosanct?

Keep going. I love this line of reasoning.. there are really so many good ones.

I love it. Epic --post more request.

 

[cheapseats]

If your "pro-life" (which ironically I doubt) than don't choose to have an abortion.

Just because you philosophically believe blastocysts deserve to own property on another person, doesn't mean you ought to be forcing that shit on other people, especially when you are in the minority.

Cheers.

This is what is so remarkable.

People COMPLETELY unrelated to the particulars of particular lives get themselves all hot and bothered about "late term" abortions. How many people line up for THOSE? We are forever trying to legislate to the exceptions and the extremes.

Do people imagine that people have abortions for fun? If abortion becomes a matter between you and your doctor and/or you and your mate and/or you and your God/conscience, do people imagine that everyone of childbearing age is going to run out and start having abortions willy nilly? Yay! At last! Abortions all around!

What do Pro Life Fanatics do when it's not an election year...cry themselves to sleep over "all those" non-babies? Or do they go on about their business, the same way they do as the Iraq and Afghanistan body counts climb?

How many died in Iraq during the campaign, does anyone even keep track? Did any U.S. servicemen or innocent non-combatants die while John McCain and Barack Obama dressed in white tie, to yuk it up about bailouts and voter fraud?

Abortion is a CONTRIVED issue that unfailingly serves its purpose.

I can never decide whether the most powerful people on earth are more brilliant or more basic. Divide and conquer is pretty basic.

 

[Kade]

This is what is so remarkable.

People COMPLETELY unrelated to the particulars of particular lives get themselves all hot and bothered about "late term" abortions. How many people line up for THOSE? We are forever trying to legislate to the exceptions and the extremes.

Do people imagine that people have abortions for fun? If abortion becomes a matter between you and your doctor and/or you and your mate and/or you and your God/conscience, do people imagine that everyone of childbearing age is going to run out and start having abortions willy nilly? Yay! At last! Abortions all around!

What do Pro Life Fanatics do when it's not an election year...cry themselves to sleep over "all those" non-babies? Or do they go on about their business, the same way they do as the Iraq and Afghanistan body counts climb?

How many died in Iraq during the campaign, does anyone even keep track? Did any U.S. servicemen or innocent non-combatants die while John McCain and Barack Obama dressed in white tie, to yuk it up about bailouts and voter fraud?

Abortion is a CONTRIVED issue that unfailingly serves its purpose.

I can never decide whether the most powerful people on earth are more brilliant or more basic. Divide and conquer is pretty basic.

Exactly. I didn't think it were possible on these forums, but you have out-Kaded me. I couldn't have said these thoughts better than you have...

Where is the mourning for the billions of "naturally" aborted fetuses.... the miscarriages... which total 67% of all conceptions...?

The mounting and near endless insanity involved in a fanatical pro-lifers mind is staggering... I see it firsthand, even the brightest among them fall apart intellectually at these crossroads.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
48,589,993
Total Abortions since 1973​

 

[cheapseats]

The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
48,589,993
Total Abortions since 1973​

Body count from all wars + all preventable accidents + all preventable disease + all heartless disregard of starving regions + trumped up War On Drugs activity + wives killed by husbands + children killed by parents + suicides?

 

[Kade]

The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
48,589,993
Total Abortions since 1973​

The Consequences of GOD (or nature)

106,456,367,669*

Total Deaths since 50,000 B.C.
​

*Number not exact, based on populations through dawn of Modern Homo-Sapien (Homo-Sapiens Sapiens)


67% of all pregnancies End in a miscarriage.

Do the math chief.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Body count from all wars + all preventable accidents + all preventable disease + all heartless disregard of starving regions + trumped up War On Drugs activity + wives killed by husbands + children killed by parents + suicides?

???

 

[cheapseats]

Exactly. I didn't think it were possible on these forums, but you have out-Kaded me. I couldn't have said these thoughts better than you have...

I take it that is high praise? I thank you.

Where is the mourning for the billions of "naturally" aborted fetuses.... the miscarriages... which total 67% of all conceptions...?

The mounting and near endless insanity involved in a fanatical pro-lifers mind is staggering... I see it firsthand, even the brightest among them fall apart intellectually at these crossroads.

I can respect their conviction, even when they're backed into a corner. But these two things I will NOT concede:

1.) They've no right to enjoin their Beliefs upon others.
2.) Their squeaky-wheel intensity on abortion is not matched by wholesale concern for humanity.
3.) Their bravado against individual pregnant women is not matched by proactive obstruction of government policies that are unmistakably resulting in death to Innocents.

There seems not to be the slightest awareness of how close the anti-abortion argument is to an anti-gun argument...anticipatory protection.

 

[dannno]

The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
48,589,993
Total Abortions since 1973​

Kade made and interesting point about miscarriages.. I'm curious how many miscarriages there have been compared to the amount of abortions during that time.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Kade made and interesting point about miscarriages.. I'm curious how many miscarriages there have been compared to the amount of abortions during that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

 

[RockEnds]

My opinion is limited to pregnancies involving my own DNA.

 

[cheapseats]

???

There are deaths galore of living, breathing people. Death is Market Sector with us. Many many many many deaths are routinely the result of aggression, crime, malfeasance, cost cutting, recklessness, neglect, endangerment...ILL INTENT, not predicament.

Anti-Abortion Enthusiasts offer to carry the bench, when a piano wants moving.