Pressuring North Korea to war.

[Vessol]

I know North Korea is far from a freedom loving or great or even sane nation, but isn't this a bit much, especially on our part? To me this seems like we are purposefully trying to bait North Korea into war. And who will benefit? Certainly not the outnumbered South Korean and U.S soldiers on the DMZ whom are pretty much cannon fodder. Nor the majority of the South Korean citizenry which lives within 100 miles of the DMZ.

"Sinking of the ROKS Cheonan:

* South Korea cuts off trade with North Korea and announces that North Korean ships will no longer be allowed to use South Korean waters. The government demands an apology over the sinking. (BBC)
* The South Korean military announces that it will resume the suspended practice of psychological warfare against North Korean guards on the Demilitarized zone, and that it would hold anti-submarine military exercises with the United States. (Yonhap) (Al Jazeera)
* South Korea announces that it will refer North Korea to the United Nations Security Council. (BBC)
* South Korea and the United States pressure China to allow UN action against North Korea. (The Guardian)"

 

[torchbearer]

if the north is losing control of its people, creating a dragon to fight would bring them back into the fold.
government manipulation goes both ways.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

if the north is losing control of its people, creating a dragon to fight would bring them back into the fold.
government manipulation goes both ways.

NK would get their ass kicked.

 

[Reason]

if the north is losing control of its people, creating a dragon to fight would bring them back into the fold.
government manipulation goes both ways.

 

[awake]

Socialist countries tend to have starved means to engage in war like behavior let alone fight a prolonged campaign.

On the other hand, Statist warmongers in control of capitalist economies tend to acts of invasion, occupation, and empire in search of Hitlers all over the globe. The fruits of capitalism makes sustained agressive "preventive war" achievable to some extent.


Does the torpedo incident smell like a convenient pre-text? Sure it does. The Gulf of Tonkin incident would come to mind as a glaring example of inventing excuses to go to war in troubled economic times.

As the economies of the world begin to collapse you will see politicians seeking to change the national mood through war. In fact you have been witnessing it for some time now.

 

[cindy25]

NK would lose any war, but SK would lose Seoul

 

[Vessol]

NK would lose any war, but SK would lose Seoul

Yes, NK would definitely loose, but they would not go down with fight. They would pretty much zerg rush South Korea with their million man army at the DMZ.

 

[pcosmar]

Odd shit.
Been doing a bit of research, out of curiosity.
NK denies the attack. As a rule they are belligerent and rude. And they brag about their military.
The SK ship was in "Disputed" waters. WHY ?

The torpedo was of German origin. NK does not use German Torpedoes.

However SK does. As do others.

And now the war drums are beating.
If the North was picking a fight why deny it?
It does seem that others do want a fight though.

Looks like a False Flag incident to me.

 

[wd4freedom]

As Awake has stated the issue here is finding a "way out" for the statists. The global economy is about to implode and the powers that be, know it. How do you get out of such a mess while still maintaining power and absolute control???
You ensure a World War is birthed and then fomented. The "patriotic fervor" and the subsequent destruction of youthful lives in war will allow the powers to appropriately manage the gross mis-allocation of resources so evident today.....its the human cycle, repeating itself over and over.

 

[Vessol]

Looks like a False Flag incident to me.

Agreed. In every past incident North Korea has proudly declared it was their doing. Look at how proudly they display our captured ship and every other piece of junk they have done.

This smells very fishy.

 

[Am3RiCaN_microcosm]

Odd shit.
Been doing a bit of research, out of curiosity.
NK denies the attack. As a rule they are belligerent and rude. And they brag about their military.
The SK ship was in "Disputed" waters. WHY ?

The torpedo was of German origin. NK does not use German Torpedoes.

However SK does. As do others.

And now the war drums are beating.
If the North was picking a fight why deny it?
It does seem that others do want a fight though.

Looks like a False Flag incident to me.

You bring up some interesting points. It does appear that the war drums are beating pretty loudly and IMHO another false flag attack was only a matter of time. This could get interesting...and not in a good way.

 

[sofia]

Israel uses German subs/torpedos.

Israel hates NK cuz they sell nuke tech to Muslims.

Israel is famous for false flag ops....

USA hits NK....Israel hits Iran....all hell breaks loose...Obama becomes a wartime president...


u do the math..............

 

[Che]

oh no this just in.. "Asian Stocks, Won Slump on Report North Korea Ordered to Ready for Combat" -- Bloomberg

 

[Che]

Odd shit.
Been doing a bit of research, out of curiosity.
NK denies the attack. As a rule they are belligerent and rude. And they brag about their military.
The SK ship was in "Disputed" waters. WHY ?

The torpedo was of German origin. NK does not use German Torpedoes.

However SK does. As do others.

And now the war drums are beating.
If the North was picking a fight why deny it?
It does seem that others do want a fight though.

Looks like a False Flag incident to me.

well, wat did u expect of N.K response? "Oh you got me" ? of course they will vehemently oppose any involvement of the incident.

 

[sofia]

well, wat did u expect of N.K response? "Oh you got me" ? of course they will vehemently oppose any involvement of the incident.

NK has no motive. What do they gain?

Why sink a ship if you are gonna deny it?


Do u know the story of the USS Maine?......Spanish American war

 

[Vessol]

well, wat did u expect of N.K response? "Oh you got me" ? of course they will vehemently oppose any involvement of the incident.

They've never done that in the past. They've always been very belligerent and have proudly proclaimed every hostile act they have been a part of. This is pretty unbecoming of them.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

if the north is losing control of its people, creating a dragon to fight would bring them back into the fold.
government manipulation goes both ways.

Think about the Iran build up - just in time for national elections here...

-t

 

[pcosmar]

well, wat did u expect of N.K response? "Oh you got me" ? of course they will vehemently oppose any involvement of the incident.

Any other time they pull something they brag about it.
They are arrogant and proud and they brag about it.. Why would they deny this given that the SK ship was in NK territorial waters.(or very close.)

The response I would expect is "FU, Stay out of our waters".

 

[Che]

NK has no motive. What do they gain?

Why sink a ship if you are gonna deny it?


Do u know the story of the USS Maine?......Spanish American war

this is not the first time N.Korean ships fired upon SK ships. Many skirmishes occured in past 10yrs. O wait, in your definition those skirmishes were an inside job right? And those tunnels by the NK are all deceptively manipulated by SK govt..

Motive?: Battle of Daecheong. retaliation

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Any other time they pull something they brag about it.
They are arrogant and proud and they brag about it.. Why would they deny this given that the SK ship was in NK territorial waters.(or very close.)

The response I would expect is "FU, Stay out of our waters".

Interesting... Would a N. Korean torpedo fit in a US subs torpedo tube? Or who elxe might be interested in making that stalemate hot? Iran comes to mind.

False flag?

-t