Presidential hopeful Ron Paul thinks Barack Obama will win White House

[freedom-maniac]

Yeah too bad there is no real difference between Obama and McCain's policy on Iraq.

Obama wants to be there until 2010 or 2013.

McCain wants to be there until 2108.

 

[Aratus]

what if hillary clinton now tries what ron paul is doing in terms of delegates?
the efforts concerning county conventions, state conventions and caucuses etc...

 

[Cinderella]

i dont understand why he thinks obama is the lesser of the evils??? im more scared of obama than the rest....at least hitlery and mcburger are in ur face scary...obama is more subtle and "wolf in sheeps clothing" kind of scary

 

[ClayTrainor]

i dont understand why he thinks obama is the lesser of the evils??? im more scared of obama than the rest....at least hitlery and mcburger are in ur face scary...obama is more subtle and "wolf in sheeps clothing" kind of scary

I agree with this 100%

I think Obama comes across as a much nicer person to most people, and they base their opinion on that alone.

 

[Aratus]

can we say that the odds are only one in ten that hillary becomes the nominee and that
ron paul's odds are one in twenty? how does hillary plan to pull this off? does she actually want
something like what rEVOLUTIOn people are doing now? keep in mind obama has the better
net organization and hillary's hacks are getting squeemish about looking like party hacks!!!

 

[torchbearer]

think about it. if we want the white house in 4 to 8 years, we need the most communist candidate in office, so people understand why its slavery.

 

[libertarian4321]

I think you folks have to stop thinking of "red state-blue state" as if its something set in stone.

Its NOT 2000, or even 2004. A LOT of bad things have happened to the Republicans since them that are setting them up for a big fall in this election.

For the first time in decades, Democrats are outraising Republicans at both the Presidential and Congressional levels (and by HUGE margins). Republicans not only got smacked in 2006, they've lost a string of seats in special elections since then. And that was mostly before the economy went south.

On top of that, McCain inspires no one (hell, folks, every poll on these forums has Obama kicking McCain's butt, and most of us are Republicans or Libertarians, not liberals).

The utter lack of enthusiasm for McCain, even among Republicans, is obvious. Even now, McCain is only getting about 75% of the vote in his primaries- unbelievable given that he supposedly "locked up" the nomination weeks ago.

Millions of Americans have become newly registered Democrats in the past year. At the same time, the Republican party actually shrank.

The Republican's best chance to win died this week when Hillary, for all practical purposes, lost the nomination. McCain inspires no one, but Hillary would have fired up the Republican Party.

I would bet the Republicans are going to get SPANKED this fall- its going to be worse than 2006- they are going to lose House seats, governorships, and likely senate seats as well.

A great Republican candidate could overcome all these problems- someone like Reagan.

Old man McCain is no Reagan, folks. He's wasn't all that bright or charismatic in his prime, and age isn't helping. He's going to get pigeonholed as a "war " candidate in a nation that is overwhelmingly anti war. The economy is only going to get worse in coming months, and its going to get pinned on the Republicans.

Barring something spectacular - on the order of someone posting footage of Obama having anal sex with a Dick Cheney on YouTube, McCain is toast...

 

[Rangeley]

think about it. if we want the white house in 4 to 8 years, we need the most communist candidate in office, so people understand why its slavery.

The problem with shackles is its not always easy to get them off.

 

[torchbearer]

The problem with shackles is its not always easy to get them off.

Yeh, but you can't begin to take them off until you realise you have them on.
If you haven't noticed by the mobs voting for more socialism... they don't realise it yet.
We need the general population to understand what we are saying...
Media says we are kooks.
So the mobs are buying the collectivist program.
We are already slaves. Obama will complete the process.

Only after enough people experience the wide spread poverty only collectivism can bring will they be open to our ideas.

Basically, we need things to just go outright socialist/communist before the majority will once again long for the freedoms that we already crave.

How big did government have to get before it started to negatively affect your life?
We need people to wake up. Blimps alone will not wake them up.
We need the shit to hit the fan, unfortunately, for the ignorant to learn.

As in, they won't take our word for it. They only learn the hard way.
Obama will be the perfect guy for this job. Him and his Che revolution in America.

We need a horrible period of socialism. We don't want it, but the idiots need to see first hand how tyrrany comes in many forms.

 

[Aratus]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=136356 are we at binary election assumptions?

 

[torchbearer]

If McCain wins, you can forget any of our guys getting into the white house ever... The Republican name will be forever be synonymous with Fascism.

The Democrats need to take the white house if we can't get Ron Paul in....
You know Mike Gravel is 78 and running for Prez.
How old is Ron, 72?

We need a Dem in office for Ron to have another shot in 4 years.
Ron may still be our future president.
But it won't happen if McCain wins.

 

[Todd]

Sadly, from a purely polemist political perspective....I think it will be a tremendous endeavor for a minority to win the presidency if that person is in the Democratic party. As bad a politician as McCain is it will be very difficult to get a pluarality of voters to vote for Obama. One of the biggest mistakes ever made was Mondale choosing Ferraro as a running mate. I don't believe that America for one instant is unique in it's racism, but facts are facts that there is enough of that type of thinking to make it one heck of a challenge, especially representing a left wing party.
The trade unions recently all but came out and suggested that they would never support him. Unfortunately, if continue as they are....McCain is your next Pres. God help us...and I'm glad I live in the Stix.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Yeh, but you can't begin to take them off until you realise you have them on.
If you haven't noticed by the mobs voting for more socialism... they don't realise it yet.
We need the general population to understand what we are saying...
Media says we are kooks.
So the mobs are buying the collectivist program.
We are already slaves. Obama will complete the process.

Only after enough people experience the wide spread poverty only collectivism can bring will they be open to our ideas.

Basically, we need things to just go outright socialist/communist before the majority will once again long for the freedoms that we already crave.

How big did government have to get before it started to negatively affect your life?
We need people to wake up. Blimps alone will not wake them up.
We need the shit to hit the fan, unfortunately, for the ignorant to learn.

As in, they won't take our word for it. They only learn the hard way.
Obama will be the perfect guy for this job. Him and his Che revolution in America.

We need a horrible period of socialism. We don't want it, but the idiots need to see first hand how tyrrany comes in many forms.

I do think that you are correct in this analysis

Dont you fear that we might be in the NAU before we even realize it if we allow more socialism?

 

[Cinderella]

obomber will be the next president....young people will come out in flocks to vote for him and our demise....and im pretty sure it will be obombers job to completely destroy our country then we will be offered the "solution" of being saved by a NAU

 

[torchbearer]

I do think that you are correct in this analysis

Dont you fear that we might be in the NAU before we even realize it if we allow more socialism?

I wish there was another way to explain this idea.
The patient (our country) is sick.
We, the 5%, already know this much.
But to 95% of the people, the symptoms are so small, they don't think a doctor is needed.
So we'll have to stop using band-aids, and let the illness run its course, so the patient will understand that they need medical help.

People don't understand, yet, why we are so zealous about changing the direction of the country.
We(5%) can see where its headed. They(95%) do not.
Until that changes, We (5%) will not have the support of the other 95% to implement our plan to salvage our country.

 

[Truth Warrior]

"Predictions are difficult .......... especially when they're about the future." -- Yogi Berra

 

[torchbearer]

"Predictions are difficult .......... especially when they're about the future." -- Yogi Berra

"When you come to a fork in the road... Take it." - Yogi Berra.

The Confucius of our Day

 

[Alawn]

Well people hat Bush so much that there is no way on earth that a republican will win without vote fraud. McCain does not stand a chance unless he cheats. Without cheating it will be one of the biggest landslides of all time.

 

[mars79t]

I hate to say this... I hate to think of how bad things have to get... However, it is my oppinion that no one with true freedom and understanding of what needs to be done will win the white house until America hits rock bottom. My heart hurts at the thought of another revolutionary war or a civil one. I sit here all the time crossing my figures that some how Ron Paul will win this election. Now that primary's are over here I cross my figures that enough delegates are for Ron Paul that we can get him to the next stage, but I don't see it happening. I ran for a delegates seat and I lost by 20 votes. I have said it to other delegates at a meeting we had before we really started to take off that i beleave Obama will win. History has a way of repeating it's self. White men voted first. Then black men were allowed. Finally women. Other than that right now anyone who beleaves that Ron Paul will win at this point is nothing more than someone who is going to get their hearts broken. As is mine right now. I don't think this message of love, peace, and true freedom should ever be dropped. Not by any means. It is a sound and wonderful message. When I went to Fort Wayne to meet Ron Paul it wasn't shortly after he started to talk that I started to cry. I seen his face....it was one of tenderness and tiredness. My heart goes out to Ron Paul and everyone who has worked so hard to try to get America back on track. If I have learned nothing else it is this... I will not forget. I will not give up. I will stand firm in my beleafs and not back down. I will respect others rights to voice themselves anyway they choose. Even if it conflicts with my own. I will do my very best to educate my childeren in this true meaning of freedom. I will become more involved in pollotics in any way that I can. I am new to pollotics, but I do know a wonderful policy from one that is just the same junk we have been dealing with for so long. Change is needed, and I beleave many so many Americans want it. They are just scared of drastic changes like the ones Ron Paul has been talking about. We may know that these changes are for the better, but change is scary. Especially drastic changes. I pray everyone who stands behind Ron Paul will not forget or let die these ideals and make as many changes in America as we can.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well, by the looks of things, he's probably right.

Obama isn't good for us, but I sure would love to see the GOP be taught a good lesson.