Presidential Candidates' Positions - Graphed on the Nolan Chart!

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I got the idea, a while back, to try to compute all six of the major presidential candidates' viewpoints on the Nolan chart, via the World's Smallest Political Quiz. So I started on it tonight, and so far have finished John McCain's test, the results of which can be found below. (EDIT: as well as everybody else's)

With each answer, I'll post links to sites showing the evidence for why I picked the choice I did. I'd appreciate it if you guys would correct me where you think I've got the facts wrong, and provide evidence to back that up (Note that I'm trying to show candidate's current views, so the score for Bob Barr, for example, will show what he says he believes today, not what his views were back when he was in Congress). And if any of you want to help out and figure out some of the other candidate's scores, be my guest! A good place to find facts is OnTheIssues, and another is VoteSmart's Political Courage Test. Or you can just google a candidate's name together with keywords from each question. And I'll add each candidate's results here in the opening post, as we figure out the facts!

And now, the quiz scores:



John McCain
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Disagree
On his old campaign site from 2000, he says he supports internet censorship. Though whether that's federal censorship or he just thinks parents need to do the right thing, is hard to tell. If anyone has further evidence one way or the other, post below. But then there's his War on Blogs, too. So I think a "Disagree" is warranted.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Disagree
He's open to the concept, which shows he doesn't oppose the draft ideologically.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
He's in favor of civil unions for gays (and doesn't think homosexuality is a sin: why are conservative Christians voting for him?). And while I wasn't able to find any views of his on prostitution, there's rumors that back in Vietnam . . .

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Disagree

He's for the continuation of the drug war.

There should be no National ID card. ― Disagree
He's in favor of REAL ID (and, interestingly, Palin's against it).

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Disagree
He supports the bailout, voted for it, and even suspended his campaign to promote it.

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Agree
He says he's a free trader. How free, I don't know, so if anyone has further insights . . .

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
He used to be for it, is now against it?

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
Nope.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Maybe
He's for cutting taxes and government size, but not that much. He'll only cut taxes 4.4% for the richest folks, and they're the ones he's cutting the most on. However, he talks a lot about cutting spending on pork, and wants to balance the budget (which'll take a lot of cutting), so we'll give him a maybe.



Barack Obama
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Maybe
Obama has said that it's the parents' job to make sure their children don't see objectionable things on TV, the internet, etc.; not the government's. But he's tried a little too hard to squelch smears against him, so I give him a "Maybe." Speak up if you think he should have it harder one way or another.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Disagree
While he doesn't want to start drafting folks, he thinks women should also have to sign up for the selective service, which is anything but repealing it. And he's advocated mandatory community service, too.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
He says homosexuality is not immoral, so I doubt he'd try to have laws passed against it. I can't find any evidence of him supporting laws restricting such freedom for other types of people, so I'm giving him an "Agree."

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Disagree
Obama's for decreasing sentences for some drugs, and giving offenders the choice of being sentenced to rehab instead of to jail, but there's no repealing here.

There should be no National ID card. ― Maybe
This one's a toughie. There's nothing about it on Obama's website, and Google searches on "Obama" and "Real ID"/"National ID" almost unanimously return repostings of this. Obama did vote for the bill which contained the REAL ID, but so did everyone else in the Senate, since it was attached to all kinds of other stuff, so it's hard to tell. He's criticized the REAL ID, but on a practical, not ideological basis.

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Disagree
Voted for the bailout. Has some reservations, but he did. End of story.

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Maybe
He opposes our current free trade agreements, but isn't opposed to free trade entirely . . . I think. Sometimes it's hard to tell.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
"Obama and Biden are strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security." Can't get any more forceful than that.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
He wants to give a $500 Tax credit to persons making under $75,000 a year. And hasn't said anything about decreasing welfare.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Disagree
Not at all likely. His plan only decreases taxes by 0.3% average. And it's likely spending will go up, too.



Ralph Nader
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Agree
Well, it's pretty hard to find out the answer to this one. A google search on "Ralph Nader" and "censorship" mostly comes up with articles about how he considers requests not to campaign to be censorship. But according to this site, he no longer supports hate crime legislation, and he's in favor of dissenting websites, so it's an "Agree" until evidence to the contrary.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Agree
Very much against the draft, I believe. Though he's warned that there's one coming . . .

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
And is in favor of gay marriage, as well.

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Agree
Definitely in agreement.

There should be no National ID card. ― Agree
As he says here (wish I'd found this site earlier, it's got everyone's views on National ID ― everyone who answered, that is . . .).

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Agree
He's written an article called Stop Corporate Welfare (his definition of corporate welfare includes rent-free radio shows, too). That's pretty decisive. And he's very much against the bailout!

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Disagree
Well, he's against the sort of "free" trade we've got now (which, I'm afraid, is the sort McCain and Obama like). And he doesn't think real free trade is possible, and so is against it.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
He's against privatization.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
A quote: "You burn yourselves out doing charitable work. But if you get into politics and go to the cause of these problems, you will have a just society where you don’t need so much charitable work." That would be against.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Disagree
He's for tax reform, but not that kind of tax reform.



Bob Barr
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Agree
Bob agrees, even opposing laws to stop the concentration of media ownership.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Maybe
The only quote from him on it I could find is from this 2004 article, in which he sort of supports it, halfheartedly. This was written after he endorsed Badnarik for the 2004 election, and presumably had his political conversion, so it seems likely he has the same views today.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Maybe
He's a states' rights man, so he's against the federal government getting into it. Whether or not he's against all such laws is hard to tell. He won't take a stance on the legalization of prostitution, for example.

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Agree
Barr used to be the biggest proponent of the Drug War; but not anymore.

There should be no National ID card. ― Agree
Agreement, for sure.

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Agree
He opposes corporate welfare, and opposes the bailout, too, though not quite as forcefully as others . . .

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Agree
Kind of hard to find much data on this one (a lot of Google search results talk about his votes against free trade in Congress), but there is a statement at the bottom of the Foreign Intervention page on his website that indicates he's for freedom in this area.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Agree
This is one issue he's not changed his views on in the past few years. Bob is in favor of privatization, and has been for quite some time.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Agree
That is his exact plan, in a nutshell.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Agree
Cutting spending is job #1, to him. And then, at the same time, tax reform (he says anything, nearly, is superior to the current income tax). So I think this is an "Agree"!



Chuck Baldwin
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Maybe
This is the only article by him that I could find on the legislation of morality. In it, he says that that sort of thing is not Uncle Sam's job, but it's all right for states or cities to ban porn, etc. But then he's in favor of repealing campaign contribution limits, to add a little freedom to his First Amendment views.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Agree
Believes the draft to be a violation of the 5th amendment.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Disagree
Again, the only evidence I can find is the article linked above, in which he says that, while the federal government shouldn't get into that sort of thing, it's alright for the states to legislate it.

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Agree
He's for a rethinking of the Drug War, and his results on VoteSmart's test indicate he's in favor of legalizing the possession of at least small amounts of marijuana, as well as less harsh sentences for non-violent criminals. So I guess that would be an "Agree", though not a very forceful one (Any better sources for data on this, people?).

There should be no National ID card. ― Agree
A quote: "We will not advance, we will not tolerate, we will not accept any form of a National ID Identification card!"

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Agree
He agrees, and opposes the bailout as well.

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Disagree
He's said "We have to get back to Washington, to Jefferson, to the founding fathers; free trade with all, entangling alliances with none." But he's in favor of a 10% tariff on all imports, and the Constitution Party's platform opposes truly free trade, too.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Agree
In favor.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Maybe
He says that welfare programs need to be examined for their benefit to Americans, and then decide on whether to cut them or keep them.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Agree
Quite definitely. He wants to abolish the income tax, and then cut enough spending so that we're making more than we're using, including disbanding several federal Departments.



Cynthia McKinney
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Agree
She opposed the Communications Decency Act and flag desecration laws, when in Congress.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Agree
She cosponsored H.Con.Res.368, which pretty much tried to abolish the draft.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
She very strongly supports gay marriage, so I don't think she's for depriving anyone of freedom in this area.

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Agree
She wants to end the drug war, and legalize medical marijuana.

There should be no National ID card. ― Agree
"I am against Real IDs!"

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Agree
She thinks the bailout is a bad idea (and has an alternative plan), and wants to eliminate corporate subsidies.

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Disagree
She's for fair trade, not free.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
Opposes privatization.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
Considering how she wants to reduce the concentration of wealth, I think she doesn't want to do away with welfare.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Disagree
The only tax cut she voted in favor of was doing away with the marriage penalty. She's thinks we need to cut military spending, but that's about it.
 
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I love the Advocates. Everyone should subscribe to their monthly newsletter - The Liberator Online. It's a GREAT publication in my opinion.
 
The red dot for McCain's position should be moved down one block (he only agrees with two out of ten positions, and only one for each subset).

John McCain
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Sure, Craig, I'll try to do a graph for you, too. It'll be interesting to see if there's enough info about your views available online to get accurate results. :)

And Verad, the image I posted is taken directly from the results page, after I entered John McCain's data into the poll. I think the way it works is an "Agree" counts as two points toward liberty, while a "Maybe" counts as one. Which leads to another question - should I try to do everything in black-and-white, yes-or-no answers? Or should I give them "Maybe"s? I think McCain deserves a maybe for wanting to cut taxes and government.

And I'm starting on Obama's scores, next!
 
. . . And Obama's results are in!


Barack Obama
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Maybe
Obama has said that it's the parents' job to make sure their children don't see objectionable things on TV, the internet, etc.; not the government's. But he's tried a little too hard to squelch smears against him, so I give him a "Maybe." Speak up if you think he should have it harder one way or another.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Disagree
While he doesn't want to start drafting folks, he thinks women should also have to sign up for the selective service, which is anything but repealing it. And he's advocated mandatory community service, too.

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
He says homosexuality is not immoral, so I doubt he'd try to have laws passed against it. I can't find any evidence of him supporting laws restricting such freedom for other types of people, so I'm giving him an "Agree."

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Disagree
Obama's for decreasing sentences for some drugs, and giving offenders the choice of being sentenced to rehab instead of to jail, but there's no repealing here.

There should be no National ID card. ― Maybe
This one's a toughie. There's nothing about it on Obama's website, and Google searches on "Obama" and "Real ID"/"National ID" almost unanimously return repostings of this. Obama did vote for the bill which contained the REAL ID, but so did everyone else in the Senate, since it was attached to all kinds of other stuff, so it's hard to tell. He's criticized the REAL ID, but on a practical, not ideological basis.

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Disagree
Voted for the bailout. Has some reservations, but he did. End of story.

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Agree
In favor . . . I think.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
"Obama and Biden are strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security." Can't get any more forceful than that.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
He wants to give a $500 Tax credit to persons making under $75,000 a year. And hasn't said anything about decreasing welfare. In fact, there's this.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Disagree
Not at all likely. His plan only decreases taxes by 0.3% average. And it's likely spending will go up, too.



Interesting how similar he and McCain are, even down to the point of which of the few types of liberty they believe in - both are for free trade and sex. :rolleyes:

Also, I decided to give John McCain a "Maybe" on shrinking government size and spending. But if anyone thinks that either of my scores aren't quite accurate, please object!

And I noticed that the Craig Thompson who asked to be scored wasn't the real Craig, but "Craig Thompson .", the imposter who's trying to make him look like an idiot. I may still try to compute his viewpoint, anyway, though, if there's time after I've done all the others, and he hasn't withdrawn his candidacy and endorsed Chuck Baldwin. :)
 
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Well that certainly settles that, doesn't it? No big surprises, but....

Thank you SO much for doing all that research and making the charts, mkeller! I'd sure like to pass both charts and the research on to other people / boards. Do you mind?
 
americana, I searched the Nolan Chart website before I began this project, trying to find something like that! But didn't, so did this instead. Unfortunately, they don't explain how they got those results, with that article . . .

And ShowMeLiberty, yes you may!


By the way, here's another candidate's score:

Ralph Nader
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Personal Issues
Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. ― Agree
Well, it's pretty hard to find out the answer to this one. A google search on "Ralph Nader" and "censorship" mostly comes up with articles about how he considers requests not to campaign to be censorship. But according to this site, he no longer supports hate crime legislation, and he's in favor of dissenting websites, so it's an "Agree" until evidence to the contrary.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft. ― Agree
Very much against the draft, I believe. Though he's warned that there's one coming . . .

There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults. ― Agree
And is in favor of gay marriage, as well.

Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs. ― Agree
Definitely in agreement.

There should be no National ID card. ― Agree
As he says here (wish I'd found this site earlier, it's got everyone's views on National ID ― everyone who answered, that is . . .).

Economic Issues
End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business. ― Agree
He's written an article called Stop Corporate Welfare (his definition of corporate welfare includes rent-free radio shows, too). That's pretty decisive. And he's very much against the bailout!

End government barriers to international free trade. ― Disagree
Well, he's against the sort of "free" trade we've got now (which, I'm afraid, is the sort McCain and Obama like). And he doesn't think real free trade is possible, and so is against it.

Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security. ― Disagree
He's against privatization.

Replace government welfare with private charity. ― Disagree
A quote: "You burn yourselves out doing charitable work. But if you get into politics and go to the cause of these problems, you will have a just society where you don’t need so much charitable work." That would be against.

Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. ― Disagree
He's for tax reform, but not that kind of tax reform.
 
You need to edit it. Obama is for barriers in international trade.
He hates actual free trade.
 
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