President Donald – Campaign promises

[euphemia]

I can't believe some people think that the President should have undone all the damage of the last few administrations in less than a year. As an ardent pro-life advocate, Trump did more in less than a year than every presidential administration since I was born.

 

[nikcers]

Trump is a fraud and just like any scam during the campaign he always contradicted himself so technically he never really promised anything you just wanted to believe whatever narrative you chose to. It's like the x files line I want to believe.

 

[Firestarter]

Obama lost something like 16k manufacturing jobs in 2016, Trump increased 171k manufacturing jobs. Let's hold on a minute and not get caught up in the media propaganda.

You're the one spreading pro-Trump lies, all of the time.

Trump promised 25 million jobs in 10 years (how will he stay president that long?), it doesn't look like he's on track on that promise: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/trump-jobs-tracker/

It doesn't look like President Donald has brought more jobs, compared to Obama...

Specs and I are both getting tax cuts in the four figure range, I am very happy with that. The rich getting tax cuts will help the poor, too, you commie..

So your point is that if the rich get richer... they will help the poor get rich?!?

So once you update the OP, maybe you can change the title to, "So far, not too bad!!" Then maybe say something about how things are going pretty great, except foreign policy, which I still think all of us here will be much happier about within the next couple years.

Donald Trump is even worse than Obama, Bush and Clinton...

 

[TheCount]

I can't believe some people think that the President should have undone all the damage of the last few administrations in less than a year. As an ardent pro-life advocate, Trump did more in less than a year than every presidential administration since I was born.

I'd settle for not doing more damage.

 

[Superfluous Man]

And the reduction is regulations is not even whispered on this forum, the one that hates government regulation more than anything.

It gets mentioned here all the time.

There's just not much to say about it.

 

[Superfluous Man]

As an ardent pro-life advocate, Trump did more in less than a year than every presidential administration since I was born.

What pro-life thing has he done?

 

[dannno]

You're the one spreading pro-Trump lies, all of the time.

Trump promised 25 million jobs in 10 years (how will he stay president that long?), it doesn't look like he's on track on that promise: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/trump-jobs-tracker/

It doesn't look like President Donald has brought more jobs, compared to Obama...

So your point is that if the rich get richer... they will help the poor get rich?!?


Donald Trump is even worse than Obama, Bush and Clinton...

Obama brought more government jobs, Trump decreased public sector jobs and increased manufacturing jobs by over 200k over what Obama did the year before, just in his first year!

He has been working with Rand on a lot of initiatives, and Rand has been very happy with the outcomes on a lot of these projects he has worked on with Trump.

Taxes down, spending down.

You have to really admit that what your vision of Trump was going to be is not the reality.

 

[Firestarter]

You have to really admit that what your vision of Trump was going to be is not the reality.

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

 

[dannno]

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

...and Rand Paul??

 

[Firestarter]

I suggest that you stop ignoring the awful truth on Trump, and stop yourself be brainwashed with the pro-Trump BS that Zionist shill Alex Jones loves to spread...

...and Rand Paul??

I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".

 

[dannno]

I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bullshit.

You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

[Trump] is different than any other politician. And now we have all these wise acres out there wanting to criticize and be presumptuous about trying to judge someone’s intelligence. I can tell you he has the wherewithall to do things no other politician has, and in a good way.

-Rand Paul


Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.

 

[Firestarter]

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty?

I don't know enough about Rand and Ron Paul to know whether they support "liberty".
While I've seen some videos where Ron Paul says some good things, this doesn't prove to me that he supports "liberty". This only proves that he's a good talker, but I think that talk is cheap...

The single 3 lines that you've quoted by Rand Paul, doesn't prove to me that he's positive about Trump in general.
I do know that both Trump and father and son Paul have been backed by Bilderberg member Peter Thiel; who should be infamous for supporting "medical vampirism".

Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

You - Dannno - seem to do nothing else but spread propaganda.
You're lying even more than the media, this makes you an "enemy"...

Trump is just as much THE enemy, as Obama or Clinton (actually more akin to faithfull servants for the elite).

As far as I can tell, the Bush crime family is different, as this is high in the world hierarchy itself.

If I understand Zionism, NWO correctly - Rothschild is THE enemy.
Donald Trump is a Zionist puppet for the Rothschild crime syndicate that's been partners in crime with the British and Dutch Royal families for more than a century: http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/donald-trump-chabad-lubavitch-and-oligarchs

 

[Firestarter]

7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.

In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-national-debt/index.html


The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II.

Because of the December tax cuts, of which the wealthy profit most, the federal revenues are cut by $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

There is a $1.5 trillion plan to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

The budget deal calls for an additional $300 billion in defence spending over 2 years.
Trump said in an Oval Office appearance on Monday:

We're going to have the strongest military we've ever had, by far.
In this budget we took care of the military like it's never been taken care of before.

After the peak in the deficit in the wake of the 2008-2010 recession, President Barack Obama’s administration reduced the deficit from 9.8% of GDP in 2009 to 2.4% by 2015.
After it reached $666 billion in the 2017 fiscal year, the deficit will likely hit $1 trillion in 2019.
In fiscal year 2018, borrowing by the US Treasury will climb to $1.4 trillion from $550 billion in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/news/stimulus-puts-us-debt-upward-trajectory-193132670.html

 

[Firestarter]

If you buy $20,000 with loaned money, you could claim that your “personal GDP” is soaring, but in reality you would put your family in a precarious financial position.
The following 8 examples show that the current financial condition of the US is a “horror show”…

#1 US consumer credit hit another all-time record high. In the second quarter of 2008, total consumer credit reached a total of $2.63 trillion and in 2018 that has soared to $3.87 trillion (a 48% increase in 10 years).
#2 Student loan debts have hit another all-time record high at more than $1.5 trillion dollars (an increase of almost 80% in 8 years).
#6 According to one recent study, the “rate of people 65 and older filing for bankruptcy is three times what it was in 1991”.

#5 Real wage growth in the US has recently declined by the most in 6 years.
#7 In 2018, already 57 major retailers have announced store closings.

#8 The size of the official US budget deficit is up 21% under President Trump.
#9 It is estimated that interest on the national debt will surpass half a trillion dollars for the first time in 2018.
#10 Goldman Sachs has estimated that the yearly US budget deficit will surpass $2 trillion dollars by 2028: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ricas-current-financial-condition-horror-show

 

[Firestarter]

According to The Washington Post, since Trump took office in January 2017, he’s told 6,420 lies in 649 days. During the first 9 months of his presidency, Trump made (only) an average of 5 inaccurate statements per day, but in the past 7 weeks, in the lead up to the US midterm elections, Trump has increased that to about 30 lies a day.

Journalist David Dale described “serial liar” Trump’s recent false statements as “whoppers” that are “complete fabrications”:

What is different about this period, these last couple months, is that he has changed it up and he has introduced a number of whoppers.
Complete fabrications that he had not been uttering before. These are not simply the usual exaggerations with crowd sizes and so on. He is making stuff up in the last couple weeks in a way that I don’t think we’ve seen — even from a serial liar like the president before.

I think in any other context than our roles as objective journalists, we would tell each that that was a lie. So I think if we want to regain the trust that has been lost in media we have to level with readers. We have to be seen to be straight shooters. I think in those cases the word is lie.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tell...liar-fact-checking-journalist-alleges-1200769

I hope that the media start telling the truth for a change, instead of the one-side propaganda that we’re spoon-fed with. I really wouldn’t want “objective journalists” to lose credibility.
See the panel discussion with David Dale.

 

[Firestarter]

Here’s another lie...
President Donald was criticised for not visiting the American troops that are fighting to make the oil corporation even richer...

When he finally visited the soldiers in Iraq, First Lady Melania for some reason got a loader cheer than Donald.

Donald finally got a huge response by telling them that he had personally given them a 10% raise.

You just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one.

They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations.

No force in history has done more for the cause of justice and peace. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that because you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received.

In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.
The troops get only a 2.6% raise in 2019 and got 2.4% extra in 2018. That’s not 10%.

Basic pay for active duty soldiers ranges from $19,659 for a new private to $38,059 for a staff sergeant with 6 years experience: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ags-troops-about-10-percent-pay-raise-n952336

At about 19:00 Donald Trump starts boasting about the 10% raise.

 

[XNavyNuke]

In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.

Child, please. If you're ever going to make it as a big time infotainer, you need to go BIG. Decades are chicken feed. That might make a 13 yo ooh and ahh. A century, now that's impressive.

.U.S. Military Pay Raise History, 1794 to Present Day

XNN

 

[Firestarter]

President Donald yelled to a roaring crowd of Trump-retards:

With all that being said though, we have $450 billion, $110 billion of which is a military order, but this is equipment and various things ordered from Saudi Arabia, $450 billion.
I think it's over a million jobs. That's not helpful for us to cancel an order like that. That hurts us far more than it hurts them.

https://youtu.be/48Nb8FxZxGA

Some party poopers rated this a “Pants on Fire” lie....

The Saudis haven´t bought anywhere near $110 billion in arms.
Nor has Saudi Arabia ordered anywhere near $450 billion worth of goods.

Total exports to Saudi Arabia in 2017 were $25.4 billion. “Only” $14.5 billion in arms sales has been agreed upon (not $450 billion or $110 billion). There is no reason at all to think that all of these will be bought though.

The over one million jobs becomes quite ridiculous if you compare it to the offered exports to the Saudis.
In 2015, the US Commerce Department said exports supported “165,000 jobs" for a export total of $29.7 billion (that´s higher than in 2017). This means that the United States gets .0000056 per job on average.
If we take the $110 billion in arms sales as a “fact” (which it isn´t) they could generate more than 600,000 jobs. If we take the agreed upon $14.5 billion, this would support “only” 81,200 jobs.

The arms experts have said that arm sales typically take 3 or more years to complete. When you take this into account the $14.5 billion won´t be bought in 2019 alone and the amount of generated jobs would be even much lower: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-trump-touts-nonexistent-450-billion-saudi-o/

 

[Stratovarious]

Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bull$#@!.

You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.


-Rand Paul


Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.

What is the most important criticism you can give about Trump, there are some great accomplishments
to be sure, but what are the obvious 'Elephants in the room' regarding Trump's actions and pronouncements?

 

[Firestarter]

Maybe it isn’t a total lie, because Trump did keep his promise to lower taxes for the big corporations and the filthy rich.
But is a little misleading...

Working families complain that the US Trump “tax reduction” takes more from them, while they expected the (promised) tax reduction.