PPP MICHIGAN POLL :

[smithtg]

I live in MI and havent met a santorum supporter. But as others have said the 'silent' majority is looking for a mittens alternative and its not Ron Paul. yes these people are stupid, but Frothy has "values" to them and that is why they will vote for him (dont mind he want to bomb every Arab country that makes him crap crooked)

 

[BKom]

BKom,

Ron don't camp.

We've been pleading for weeks, months, and--as you pointed out in your posts after the Maine results--literally years.
All we've accomplished by posting here is to provide more fodder for poster Babylon's amusement.

What's amazing is that it isn't just the posters on Ron Paul forums. I explain things such as how a real candidate gets down in the trenches and mixes it up with the people to my libertarian Ron Paul supporting relatives and friends--here in Nevada and in other states--and I get the same defensive B.S. responses:

"He's old."
"Maybe he needs to rest."
"You don't know everything that's going on."
"Don't be so critical."
"He's doing everything he can."

I haven't torn up my delegate sheet yet. But, there's no getting around the simple fact of life that libertarians are lazy, stupid, and completely lacking in imagination and vision in the same percentages as the general population.

Yeah, Wolfgang. I haven't torn up my delegate sheet yet, either, even though I was this close the night of the Maine wimp out. But it's sitting on the counter right next to the scissors. I will probably still go to the county convention. But I will not travel to Reno on my own dime to fight for the candidacy of a man who won't fight for it himself. And getting out there and meeting people in town halls is the only effective way to fight for it now. That turd Santorum has stolen the spotlight in this election by outworking everyone else. Because if you listen to what he actually says, rather than to how and where and how often he says it, the horror is almost unimaginable.

 

[BUSHLIED]

Santorum's polling IN MI is certainly surprising to us. His support among Democrats and Independents is even more surprising.

To me, Santorum harkens back to the not so long ago days of George Bush, a neo-conservative. Romney and Gingrich are no neo-cons imo. Santorum's message still appeals to the base of the GOP which still appearas to dominate the GOP. Although, one confusing aspect would be the McCain nomination of '08 since I saw him more of a moderate hawk, but McCain didn't play up social conservatism. Santorum's rise will take away the possibilities of Brokered convention if he wins states that we otherwise would give to Romney. As the PPP poll suggests Newt is the X factor since his support disproportionately goes to Santorum.

Other than maintaining the caucus state delegate strategy, what is the campaign going to do NOW to expand it base? Does any think the campaign is still gearing up or are they gearing down? Cutting staff, not setting up offices, new ads? My since is that the campaign is idling? One can only hope Ron eventually wins Maine and tries to play that up as much as possible.

 

[69360]

Pew just put out a national poll with Santorum leading as well. He's at 30 in theirs, Romney is 28.

This is scary stuff.

 

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

It's pretty transparent to me that Dems in MI are throwing their weight behind Frothy because he's the most un-electable and unsavory character of the lot to their interests. In the general, these people will not vote under any circumstances for an anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-war nut-job like him.

It's quite clever on their part and it seems to be working. Think back to 2008, if Obama and Clinton were not involved in their own fight, the left would have tried to push Sam Brownback on the Republican ticket.

 

[69360]

It's pretty transparent to me that Dems in MI are throwing their weight behind Frothy because he's the most un-electable and unsavory character of the lot to their interests. In the general, these people will not vote under any circumstances for an anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-war nut-job like him.

It's quite clever on their part and it seems to be working.

It's not just Michigan anymore. Santorum is leading 2 national polls and 2 points back in another.

 

[TAnn]

Yeah, Wolfgang. I haven't torn up my delegate sheet yet, either, even though I was this close the night of the Maine wimp out. But it's sitting on the counter right next to the scissors. I will probably still go to the county convention. But I will not travel to Reno on my own dime to fight for the candidacy of a man who won't fight for it himself. And getting out there and meeting people in town halls is the only effective way to fight for it now. That turd Santorum has stolen the spotlight in this election by outworking everyone else. Because if you listen to what he actually says, rather than to how and where and how often he says it, the horror is almost unimaginable.

I agree with you to the extent that I feel more needs to be done about the ongoing election fraud that is taking place in this primary(legal action) however the more it happens, the more blatant it gets. Now just about everyone with any grey matter at all has become aware of the lengths the GOP will go to, to steal this nomination from Ron Paul. It won't be long before the public outrage will do the job and expose these charlatans for what they really are. I expect legal action will not be far behind. Ultimately, it is up to the people who have been robbed of their votes to take action against the GOP.

 

[pauliticalfan]

+1

Does anyone wonder why Obama is pushing the contraceptive issues?

It's a softball to whip up Catholic support for Santorum

That Obama, always whipping up some Santorum.

 

[KingNothing]

Pew just put out a national poll with Santorum leading as well. He's at 30 in theirs, Romney is 28.

This is scary stuff.

If the GOP nominates Rick Santorum, at least we'll be able to run Rand Paul against a non-incumbent in 2016, because there's no way Obama would be unseated in November.

 

[Student Of Paulism]

Santorum winning Michigan would be very dangerous, IMO. It'd show he can win a real primary with delegates in a "moderate" state. It would cement him as the "Anti-Romney" and maybe even the nominee.

Yea, i didn't wanna really speak on that too much, but it's creeping closer to that reality, especially after him winning 3 states in 1 night. Totally put him in a new level after that happened. Winning MI would hurt Romney badly in his own home state. But i don't like what is shaping up with Santorum. He doesnt have any baggage like Gingrich, and Gingrich is losing a ton of steam lately and his support is going to Rick. Some Romney support is also going to Rick. As for the Party itself, they really don't want Newt as the nominee because of his awful history, and they really have never wanted Romney due to him being so slick and overpolished. Even the party knows how fake he is, not to mention his endless flip flopping and being on the same side Obama is on.

Rick appeals to a lot of religious factions, which is primarily why he is doing so well. That alone tends to 'get the word out'. He has no baggage or any crazy past like Newt so he is a 'great' alternative for the sheep out there. Ofc, there is Ron Paul, but ya know, his FP sucks, he is too old, Bill Oreilly said he is crazy, so ya know, that's that I agree though, i really don't like where this is going. Santorum is pretty much dominating the whole portion of the South, and getting some buzz on the East coast states now. Blah...so surreal this idiot got this far, still cant believe it at times.

 

[BKom]

I agree with you to the extent that I feel more needs to be done about the ongoing election fraud that is taking place in this primary(legal action) however the more it happens, the more blatant it gets. Now just about everyone with any grey matter at all has become aware of the lengths the GOP will go to, to steal this nomination from Ron Paul. It won't be long before the public outrage will do the job and expose these charlatans for what they really are. I expect legal action will not be far behind. Ultimately, it is up to the people who have been robbed of their votes to take action against the GOP.

You actually do not agree with me. Election fraud is possible, but pretty far down the list of why Ron isn't doing better. Most of the reason is that he's not campaigning effectively. Every one of those candidates is out traveling the country, meeting people and asking for their votes. Ron, on the other hand, is setting up in caucus states and doing relatively little campaigning himself. The theory was that caucus states will be easier to win because of organization. Now that this strategy has been shown to fail almost uniformly, it appears the campaign is rolling up its tent and taking it easy when they should be putting their foot on the gas and putting the candidate out there at every possible whistlestop in upcoming states.

So, no, you do not agree with me. Fraud can be overcome with hard work, but the hard work is not being done. You have to force everyone to see fraud if it exists and the only way to do that is to push up your poll numbers to the point that it would be obvious. And Ron and the campaign have not done this.

 

[floridasun1983]

It will be interesting to see how Mitt reacts to this. I would expect him to bring out his big guns and start firing everything he's got at Santorum in the next few days. It worked against Newt, but as others have pointed out, Santorum doesn't have a lot of major baggage.

As for our candidate and campaign, well, I can't add to what others have already said. He has to actually campaign.

 

[GopBlackList]

I think this whole voter election fraud claims and blame the media is getting REALLY OLD. We need to man up and own up responsibility especially the campaign. RP needs to be a lot more aggressive and go Chicago on these fools.

 

[Adam West]

I think this whole voter election fraud claims and blame the media is getting REALLY OLD. We need to man up and own up responsibility especially the campaign. RP needs to be a lot more aggressive and go Chicago on these fools.

I'm a 9 year former Chicago'n, and I agree with your statement, but I reck'n a little "Chicago" on the GOP heirarchy would not go astray...

 

[Adam West]

How about a St. Valentines Day Massacre?

 

[seawolf]

Bkom I agree with your posts on this thread 100%. I have been expressing the same views, but have been told by the Senior Moderator to contact the Campaign directly and stop posting this view.

Anyway, you are dead on right!!

 

[joshnorris14]

Bkom I agree with your posts on this thread 100%. I have been expressing the same views, but have been told by the Senior Moderator to contact the Campaign directly and stop posting this view.

Anyway, you are dead on right!!

The Senior Moderators hate dissent. I was banned for posting about why we needed a November 5th moneybomb instead of a stupid November 11th Veteran's day moneybomb (That worked out very well, right?)

Regardless, he isn't right. The campaign set up shop in Caucus states because those states we could dominate delegate-wise, and we haven't failed, we have succeeded.

 

[Adam West]

The Senior Moderators hate dissent. I was banned for posting about why we needed a November 5th moneybomb instead of a stupid November 11th Veteran's day moneybomb (That worked out very well, right?)

Regardless, he isn't right. The campaign set up shop in Caucus states because those states we could dominate delegate-wise, and we haven't failed, we have succeeded.

This may be true, but we are attempting to entice new supporters into the fold and keep morale high with existing supporters/donators. A victory or two would go a long way...

 

[69360]

The Senior Moderators hate dissent. I was banned for posting about why we needed a November 5th moneybomb instead of a stupid November 11th Veteran's day moneybomb (That worked out very well, right?)

Regardless, he isn't right. The campaign set up shop in Caucus states because those states we could dominate delegate-wise, and we haven't failed, we have succeeded.

Wonderful, we have all these delegates pending from the caucus states. Great, it's probably true. The problem is that the media reports on winners of states. That's what the average voter sees, who won what state. Then they vote for who's winning. The caucus states hold their conventions after the winner take all states have voted. So those delegates won't make a difference after Ron gets run over in the winner take all primaries because he has no momentum.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Ｗｈｏ　ｃａｒｅｓ? We aren't going to win outright, we need a brokered convention. And for that to happen, we need someone to block as many delegates from Romney as possible.

We need to make sure no one drops as long as possible. Newt needs some positive news or he will drop soon.