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This is the one piece of good news from that article, "and the area around Lansing where Paul actually has an advantage at 30% to 27% for both Romney and Santorum."

There is terrible news in there for the future of the GOP. "His continued presence in the race is a boost to Romney though. 54% of his supporters would go to Santorum if he dropped out, compared to only 21% for Romney and 14% for Paul. Santorum's lead in a Newt-less field would expand to 21 points with him at 48% to 27% for Romney and 13% for Paul. So every day Gingrich stays in is a saving grace for Romney's hopes."

At least in MI, if Newt drops out, Santorum wins. That's likely true in some other states. Santorum is far worse than Romney when it comes to freedom. Santorum said“[I will] fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican party and the conservative movement." Romney calls for cutting the federal workforce by 10%.
 
Isn't this Romney's home state? If so, I think this is good news. Romney will look terrible if he loses this one.
 
Santorum has not been propertly vetted yet. Romney's $$$ will take care of this. Just wait. :)
 
Isn't this Romney's home state? If so, I think this is good news. Romney will look terrible if he loses this one.
We don't want Romney to collapse though. A split vote is good.

And it's not his state, but it's his dad's state. (Who also ran for president and lost, by the way.)
 
I try hard not to be a conspiracy theorist but why is PPP polling Santorum 10 points higher than anyone else in MI and nationally? PPP is a democratic firm and Santorum would get destroyed by Obama, just saying.
 
Isn't this Romney's home state? If so, I think this is good news. Romney will look terrible if he loses this one.

He was born there. He mostly lives in MA and to some extent NH. He has a mansion in CA but it is being expanded right now. His dad used to be the governor of MI. However, Santorum was a Senator from a border state (PA) so he has some connection, also.
 
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This is going to change fast. He's had a bunch of small ups fueled by the media, but mark my words, Santorum will start to drop once he is vetted. Nobody really considered him a threat until he came out of nowhere suddenly...Romney and Gingrich will start to nail him, and Paul will probably be flying low in stealth mode while this is going on.
 
I try hard not to be a conspiracy theorist but why is PPP polling Santorum 10 points higher than anyone else in MI and nationally? PPP is a democratic firm and Santorum would get destroyed by Obama, just saying.

Because that's what the voters tell them?

PPP isn't rigging their polls. That would be a bad idea unless you want to go the way of Research 2000.
 
PPP is the only polling organization that has Santorum anywhere near 15 points ahead of Romney nationally. Gallup still has Romney ahead of Santorum nationally. I don't know how PPP is getting their numbers.
 
I try hard not to be a conspiracy theorist but why is PPP polling Santorum 10 points higher than anyone else in MI and nationally? PPP is a democratic firm and Santorum would get destroyed by Obama, just saying.

"Santorum's benefiting from the open nature of Michigan's primary as well. He's only up by 12 points with actual Republican voters, but he has a 40-21 advantage with the Democrats and independents planning to vote that pushes his overall lead up to 15 points." Unfortunately, it looks like Independents and Democrats like Santorum the most in MI. I thought Paul will do well with them like in NH but I guess people think very differently about politics in MI.
 
Yeah but PPP has Santorum that high nationally too. It just has a bad taste to it, it doesn't seem right. So many push polls in this election influencing the vote is maddening.
 
However, Santorum was a Senator from a border state (PA) so he has some connection, also.

Huh? Forgetting Ohio and Indiana? They are kinda in between Michigan and PA. Even from Pittsburg it's a haul to Michigan. From my part of PA it's 14 hours to MI. There's no shared media markets either.
 
This is going to change fast. He's had a bunch of small ups fueled by the media, but mark my words, Santorum will start to drop once he is vetted. Nobody really considered him a threat until he came out of nowhere suddenly...Romney and Gingrich will start to nail him, and Paul will probably be flying low in stealth mode while this is going on.


Winning several states is what you call small ups? I don't disagree that it could all come crashing down, but newt and the romster are taking their sweet time to nail him.
 
Huh? Forgetting Ohio and Indiana? They are kinda in between Michigan and PA. Even from Pittsburg it's a haul to Michigan. From my part of PA it's 14 hours to MI. There's no shared media markets either.

LOL. Yeah, I was totally wrong about that! You are correct, OH is b/t the 2 states. Part of PA is like the Midwest but I don't even think it is officially part of the Midwest.
 
Santorum winning Michigan would be very dangerous, IMO. It'd show he can win a real primary with delegates in a "moderate" state. It would cement him as the "Anti-Romney" and maybe even the nominee.
 
This is going to change fast. He's had a bunch of small ups fueled by the media, but mark my words, Santorum will start to drop once he is vetted. Nobody really considered him a threat until he came out of nowhere suddenly...Romney and Gingrich will start to nail him, and Paul will probably be flying low in stealth mode while this is going on.

Everyone keeps saying this BUT I don't see him getting vetted....he has now won 4 contests.
 
Santorum winning Michigan would be very dangerous, IMO. It'd show he can win a real primary with delegates in a "moderate" state. It would cement him as the "Anti-Romney" and maybe even the nominee.

Who cares? We aren't going to win outright, we need a brokered convention. And for that to happen, we need someone to block as many delegates from Romney as possible.
 
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