Posturing for Rand's 2016 campaign, AGAINST Santorum.

[coffeewithchess]

Why else even bring Santorum up, and criticize him and his supporters, and not Mitt Romney and his supporters (ROMNEYCARE!?)?

Seriously? The Ron Paul 2012 Campaign attacked Santorum in the primary process, barely touching Mitt "I Laugh at Ron Paul" Romney, and definitely didn't give Romney the full Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum campaign ad treatment, and in the first video from Ron Paul after the implosion that was the campaign, he continues to go after Santorum?

Why? I think it's because in the "political" circle...Santorum is running in 2016, and Rand will also. Santorum burned his Romney bridge during the campaign, and Rand's national endorsement probably means he's hoping for Romney $$$$ in 2016...they're just preparing for 2016. Absolutely terrible.

 

[Sola_Fide]

You might be on to something there. In some ways 2016 might be a showdown between the liberty wing and the authoritarian wing of the GOP. Will be fun to be a part of for sure...

 

[AuH20]

I think Santorum is done with a stronger field emerging in 2016. I'm scared much more of Rubio because he has already ingratiated himself as Mr. Conservative when he's an Aspen Institute fraud. Rubio wouldn't even recognize the tea party in Florida if I'm not mistaken. He's very bad news.

 

[Aratus]

Mike Huckabee could leap in and grab back his wayward flock if Mitt looses this one.
It feels like Rand will take on Rick even if Mitt wins in the fall. Add Sarah Palin into
the fray either way and InTrade can start to speculatively bet on 2016 way early!

 

[QWDC]

Regardless of the liberty candidate in 2016, you really have to worry about Rubio and the fat guy from NJ whose name escapes me (Romney 2.0 IMO).

 

[Ekrub]

I think Santorum is done with a stronger field emerging in 2016. I'm scared much more of Rubio because he has already ingratiated himself as Mr. Conservative when he's an Aspen Institute fraud. Rubio wouldn't even recognize the tea party in Florida if I'm not mistaken. He's very bad news.

+1

Christie and Rubio scare me more.

 

[Victor Grey]

Santorum has to be snubbed out politically. That pile will be the biggest threat in 2016.

He'll be a massive threat in Iowa, and in South Carolina.

We have to win Iowa and New Hampshire then go on to turning Nevada. We have to make a good showing in South Carolina. We win both there then bump on Nevada.

The rest of the race is ten times easier. The whole majority of party primary voters decide who the race winner is, in two or three early states then simply fall in line.
That's the way it is.

Santorum's won a lot of party leadership this go. He'll have a lot of potential political traction.
That's why the party always seemingly follows a "my turn" system, of whoever did best in delegates the previous election, before being the winner in the next.

If unmistaken, Romney had around the amount Paul has this run, on Romney's 08 campaign.

Santorm must be defeated in Iowa, early and getting him out of the way. Or he'll go on to take the whole south, one right after another. Rest of country will follow. Just like Romney did this run.

 

[eleganz]

lol you give Santorum way too much credit.

 

[opinionatedfool]

Why else even bring Santorum up, and criticize him and his supporters, and not Mitt Romney and his supporters (ROMNEYCARE!?)?

Seriously? The Ron Paul 2012 Campaign attacked Santorum in the primary process, barely touching Mitt "I Laugh at Ron Paul" Romney, and definitely didn't give Romney the full Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum campaign ad treatment, and in the first video from Ron Paul after the implosion that was the campaign, he continues to go after Santorum?

Why? I think it's because in the "political" circle...Santorum is running in 2016, and Rand will also. Santorum burned his Romney bridge during the campaign, and Rand's national endorsement probably means he's hoping for Romney $$$$ in 2016...they're just preparing for 2016. Absolutely terrible.

I don't think you should read into things... It may be nothing.

 

[Ivash]

Santorum is not going to get any traction in 2016. This year was an extremely uninspiring year for Republican Candidates- in 2016 a lot of 'big guns' will run (Paul Ryan, Christie, Rubio, Walker, etc, etc, etc). Santorum will be buried. He is disliked by both the Republican establishment and the media- he will be Palinized in the next few years if he tries to stay relevant. If he does not he will have no chance anyways.

 

[Victor Grey]

lol you give Santorum way too much credit.

I'm sure that's what they said about McCain in 2000.

Hmmm, who got the second most delegates in 2000.

Who ran and won the nomination in 2008.

I'm sure that's what they said about Romney in 08'

"lol that guy'd never win outside new england."

Who got the second most delegates.

Who ran and won the nomination in 2012.

I'm sure that's what they said about Paul then, too.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'm sure that's what they said about McCain in 2000.

Hmmm, who got the second most delegates.


I'm sure that's what they said about Romney in 08'

"lol that guy'd never win outside new england."


Who got the second most delegates.


I'm sure that's what they said about Paul then, too.

That's what I'm saying. The GOP establishment loves to put up moderate also-rans. Santorum fits the bill. But yeah, we are going to have real competition from the Rubios, Christies, and Ryans for sure.

 

[Ivash]

That's what I'm saying. The GOP establishment loves to put up moderate also-rans. Santorum fits the bill. But yeah, we are going to have real competition from the Rubios, Christies, and Ryans for sure.

But that is not what they said about McCain or Romney. McCain was a well-respected serving Senator. Many Republicans felt that Bush actions in Carolina against McCain crossed the line (though I personally admire its simply brilliance, it was extremely immoral), so that helped his cause as well. And you have to remember that McCain did not win due to him being the 'presumed' nominee (like Romney was this time around for the duration), and after that collapsed he had to battle his way back to the top the old fashion way (by simply out-hustling everyone, and getting lucky).

Romney was also a respectable politician, even if most of the other candidates in 2008 disliked him (McCain: 'Amongst ourselves we had differences, sure, but we could all agree that we hated Romney'). He had money. He wasn't a wackjob like Palin. He was boring, but that offers a lot of defense against the media and other forces.

Santorum is not boring, he is not respected, and he is not liked by the establishment. He will be hounded out of political relevance, just like he was for months before the election (a friend of mine almost convinced him to drop out at one point before the Iowa Caucus since he was doing so poorly, in exchange for a cabinet position for another candidate).

 

[Just Another Genius]

Why bring Santorum up? Divide and conquer. Paul and Co. want the Santorum delegates to dislike the Ron Paul delegates when the convention comes around so Romney will get Santorum's delegates instead of us. Which is why everyone should ignore this propaganda and instead tell the Santorum supporters and delegates how the establishment is trying to screw them and us by not joining forces to keep Mitt Romney from getting nominated. Ron Paul is closer to Santorum's ideals than Romney's. That needs to be pointed out to Santorum's supporters on their sites as well as ours. A phony fight to keep us separated, so Romney will win, that's all this is. Why Ron Paul is trying to sell this BS to us and our delegates, probably the same reason, because I see no other excuse.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I'm getting really excited about Rand's 2016 run