Poll: Should grassroots organize the march, or HQ?

[Revolution9]

There's a really simple answer here:

Both should cooperate.

But really, there's not much point on debating it on this forum. There are only so many people capable and willing to organize an event of this size. Some are grassroots, some are staff. They should work together.

Yup.. This is precisely what wll hapopoen. if the ones who want to organise and get shoved aside due to their current baragrugous attitudes then i will not feel any sympathy for them as they whine and whine and whine here and try to scuttle the program.. just watch. i guarantee it. I will then have to kick their asses and laugh mockingly at them.

Randy

 

[Hancock1776]

This is a tough decision. HQ risks botching the whole thing with bad promotion. The Grassroots risk arguing about dates forever.

Don't you people realize how divisive binary voting is? I move that we ban all polls from this forum which do not have at least three options and the ability to vote for more than one of them.

 

[DarkLaw]

LMAO - I broke the stalemate of 70 vs 70


GRASSROOTS BABY!

 

[Revolution9]

LMAO - I broke the stalemate of 70 vs 70


GRASSROOTS BABY!

Mob rule.

Randy

 

[jumpyg1258]

I voted grassroots cause every damn thing the campaign gets their grubby hands into, turns into crap. They remind me a lot of our current government, ROFL!

 

[MrZach]

You realize this is going to cost MILLIONS to put together and right now the only ones with that kind of money is the official Ron Paul campaign...

 

[FamilyForRonPaul]

Welcome to the forums.

Thank you!

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Could somebody explain to me what some people mean by letting the grassroots organize the event? I just cannot get it.
There are 10s of thousands of people in the grassroots and alot of them might have very different opinions and they might disagree on dates and other things.

 

[Deborah K]

Could somebody explain to me what some people mean by letting the grassroots organize the event? I just cannot get it.
There are 10s of thousands of people in the grassroots and alot of them might have very different opinions and they might disagree on dates and other things.

The person who thought of this (Bryan Siemon- radio talk show host for Ron Paul radio), put up a website on 02/08/08, (which was hastily thrown up just to get the word out, but is being changed and the new one will be up soon ) and asked people to get involved. The website was posted on these boards on the same day by a couple of his listeners. When I saw it, I signed up and sent them (Bryan and his co-host, Ray) an email, telling them about my experience. Many other people did the same. They then emailed everyone who signed up to tell us they were having a conference call and that we all were invited.

From there, the team and the ideas began to formulate. Everything changes daily, this is a very fluid situation. Talented, professional people are still coming forward offering their services for free. Some of the people coming forward to help with this are professionals with businesses, law practices, etc. and some with plenty of experience in putting rallys/marches together. Ron Paul people are something else, to be sure. Very dedicated and loyal.

Anyway, lots of debate over whether HQ should take over. I am against it for a few reasons but the most important is because Ron Paul has always told us that the governent should stay out of people's lives. For me, HQ is a microcosm of what his administration would be. It seems to go against his philosophy of not interfering, especially in light of the fact, not rumor, but fact that grassroots thought this up.

In the end, if the march/rally serves the intended purpose that is all that really matters to me. His message MUST get out in spite of the media black-out.

 

[moshe kerr]

the march on washington requires both, because its the height of our political accomplishment of this political season. on this we make our reputation. if we fail to organize and motivate to urge and move 300,000 people to converge on washington then we will have suffered the worst and most humiliating defeats ... a defeat that comes from our own hands! hq its time to spend that money on the biggest commercial of our political strength as a movement and as an allied peoples. RP sir you really need to speak and motivate cause its your leadership and your ballgame. nows the time to win over your own people to break our apathy of losing to the neocon losers to inspire us with a vision and a long term goal. this conflict its a protracted conflict and we need to see the big picture and that's got to come from the soul of our trusted leader. but we the grass roots have got to organize the buses the trains the schedules the car pools the hunger strikes to prove that we mean business. that we're tired of the corporate monopolies and centralized planned socialist economies and the demoralization of the Constitution that we shall rise united as an ally and as a people so help of god.

 

[INeedATherapist]

Deborah, I think you're taking Ron Paul's message a little too far. He's not saying that the central government (HQ, as it were) should be devoid of having any kind of say in the goings-on. Sometimes, in fact, it can be quite healthy for the government to get involved. His message is for more local government. Perhaps just maybe his exploratory committee will create branches to organize different parts of the country?

Just relax about it for now! I realize we don't have much time for this but you seriously just need to let it go right now. We don't even know for sure how much Ron Paul wants the official campaign to do and yet you're here saying it's a bad idea. Don't jump the gun on these types of things.

I mean, do we really need bickering going on about how much authority the grassroots will have? I'm sure if the campaign took over on most of the planning, the grassroots would still be very much involved. The campaign would probably even get many of the grassroots people onto the volunteer staff to get things going.

Seriously, just relax and stop the arguing. If the campaign decides to take it over, then voice your concern. Until then, stop making a raucous over nothing.

 

[CelestialRender]

HQ needs to do the heavy lifting, due to the sheer size and cost of this sort of thing.

However, grassroots needs to bring our usual flair.

 

[kahless]

I sure hope it is HQ. I am afraid grassroots will destroy his message and totally screw this whole thing up. This particularly when you see posts saying speakers will be decided from the poll here. Come on, Dennis Kucinich as a speaker?? Not to mention likely some clown with a V--Mask will end up speaking.

Depending which part of the Grassroots movement has control it could clearly cement in the minds of the American people that the Ron Paul supporters are kooks.

 

[Deborah K]

Deborah, I think you're taking Ron Paul's message a little too far. He's not saying that the central government (HQ, as it were) should be devoid of having any kind of say in the goings-on. Sometimes, in fact, it can be quite healthy for the government to get involved. His message is for more local government. Perhaps just maybe his exploratory committee will create branches to organize different parts of the country?

Just relax about it for now! I realize we don't have much time for this but you seriously just need to let it go right now. We don't even know for sure how much Ron Paul wants the official campaign to do and yet you're here saying it's a bad idea. Don't jump the gun on these types of things.

I mean, do we really need bickering going on about how much authority the grassroots will have? I'm sure if the campaign took over on most of the planning, the grassroots would still be very much involved. The campaign would probably even get many of the grassroots people onto the volunteer staff to get things going.

Seriously, just relax and stop the arguing. If the campaign decides to take it over, then voice your concern. Until then, stop making a raucous over nothing.

People are going to take what they will from my posts. I don't like getting into confrontations with people, but some untrue statements were made that I believed should not go unchallenged. That's it. I would imagine if such untrue statements were hurled at you, you would think differently than you do, maybe not. I guess we all have our own way of handling a situation.

I have an opinion about this, and the purpose of the poll was to get other people's opinions and to debate it. If you see that as bickering, jumping the gun, creating a raucous, then I would have to disagree. Everyone has their own opinions and I respect yours. Your post is fair and not insulting.

As far as taking Ron Paul's message too far. You are misinterpreting what I am saying. Of course government involvement is necessary at times otherwise what is the point in having one? Again, I don't have an issue with collaborating with HQ. My issue is with HQ taking over. Why is that such a sticking point for people? I don't get it.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

Just don't look like freaks. You're not going there for a burning man session. You're going there to represent a movement. Some Paul supporters don't get this, or reject it because they don't like it. You are certainly free to take that misguided and counterproductive position, but you should be aware that you are hurting the movement you wanted to help in the same way that unwashed leftist masses make fools of themselves when they march.

 

[tbrambo]

I Think......

I think Dr. Paul came up with the idea....

but......I think we should have in put but in the end it should be the campaigns decision, because thousands of people are never going to agree on anything.

One group will want one date then another group will want another date and theoretically they could all dig in their heels and then we will end up having 2 or 3 little rallies and everything will fall apart.

Just for the sake of mediation I think the campaign should definitely have the final word!

 

[Luft97]

People are going to take what they will from my posts. I don't like getting into confrontations with people, but some untrue statements were made that I believed should not go unchallenged. That's it....

...Again, I don't have an issue with collaborating with HQ. My issue is with HQ taking over. Why is that such a sticking point for people? I don't get it.

I think that it is most likely the fact that a great deal of your recent posts have to do with your position that this was not Ron Paul's Idea it was some other guy's and you push this with the zeal as if it was your own idea. I do not see any other people here pushing this agenda.

This part is not directed at you Deborah but at the broad base of people who seek to remove the Ron Paul "factor" from this rally.

If you want this to be some kind of real Revolutionary March or you are insisting on making demands causing trouble etc. Please go make your own fourms and make your own march. I have a real intrest in getting this man elected back to congress in my district and we do not need a bunch of rabblerousers tarnishing his name.

 

[Deborah K]

I think that it is most likely the fact that a great deal of your recent posts have to do with your position that this was not Ron Paul's Idea it was some other guy's and you push this with the zeal as if it was your own idea. I do not see any other people here pushing this agenda.

This part is not directed at you Deborah but at the broad base of people who seek to remove the Ron Paul "factor" from this rally.

If you want this to be some kind of real Revolutionary March or you are insisting on making demands causing trouble etc. Please go make your own fourms and make your own march. I have a real intrest in getting this man elected back to congress in my district and we do not need a bunch of rabblerousers tarnishing his name.

Again, it's not an agenda. I have an opinion, and I wanted to hear the opinions of others and debate it. Isn't that kind of the idea of a forum? To debate ideas and opinions? As far as my position that this was not Ron Paul's idea, etc. - I think people are blowing that waaaaay out of proportion. Again, (sheesh) the point was to quell an unsubstantiated argument. This is really starting to get ridiculous.

As far as your other point goes with regard to addressing rabblerousers and a revolutionary march, making demands, etc. I agree. It's worrisome seeing some of the stuff being posted about what people intend to do at this March. I hope people realize this is supposed to be about Ron Paul's message of PEACE, Prosperity, and Freedom.

As I have stated, over and over again, in various ways, it doesn't matter what I think or what any of us think about HQ organizing this - all that matters is that this gets done and it is successful.