Poll: Judge Roy Moore leads competitors in runoff

[dannno]

I never said he was perfect, maybe Rand can get him to see we need to withdraw the empire and use part of the savings for any necessary spending changes.

Uh, pretty sure he is already mostly convinced. Except maybe ISIS.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Even if he is wrong on defense spending he is far and away better than any Senator but Rand and certainly than his Demoncrat opponent.

I see no reason to believe that, for reasons explained.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Uh, pretty sure he is already convinced.

I am simply being cautious since he is quoted as saying he wants to INCREASE defense spending.

 

[specsaregood]

I never said he was perfect, maybe Rand can get him to see we need to withdraw the empire and use part of the savings for any necessary spending changes.

Randal is the only senator that didn't rescind his endorsement after the media started its smear campaign of lies. I suspect that Moore will remember that.

 

[dannno]

I am simply being cautious since he is quoted as saying he wants to INCREASE defense spending.

Even Ron Paul has made statements that he is ok with increasing defense spending, in fact I think he has even said we should increase defense spending.. but with the caviet that we significantly reduce or eliminate our offense spending which is pretty much like 98% of the "defense" budget.

It's semantics.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Even Ron Paul has made statements that he is ok with increasing defense spending, in fact I think he has even said we should increase defense spending.. but with the caviet that we significantly reduce or eliminate our offense spending which is pretty much like 98% of the "defense" budget.

It's semantics.

I hope that is what Moore means, I just don't want to give his detractors an opening to claim I am saying he is for one thing and they can "prove" he is for the other with his quote.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Even Ron Paul has made statements that he is ok with increasing defense spending, in fact I think he has even said we should increase defense spending.

I doubt that.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Even Ron Paul has made statements that he is ok with increasing defense spending, in fact I think he has even said we should increase defense spending.. but with the caviet that we significantly reduce or eliminate our offense spending which is pretty much like 98% of the "defense" budget.

It's semantics.

What is considered "Defensive spending" vs "offensive spending"? Is a weapon "defense" until it is fired at somebody? What if they fired first?

 

[Swordsmyth]

What is considered "Defensive spending" vs "offensive spending"?

Protecting American soil = "Defensive spending"

Meddling in other countries = "offensive spending"

 

[specsaregood]

I doubt that.

I'm pretty sure both him and Randal have said they would increase defense spending in relation to the percentage of the budget. meaning it could actually go down, but still be an "increase" percentage wise.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I doubt that.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/...efense-cut-military-spending-to-strengthen-us

Cutting Military Spending Does Not Mean Cutting Defense

By Ron Paul, Contributor

When asked about my intention to cut the U.S. defense budget, I am always quick to clarify that I want to cut military spending, not defense. I want America to be the most strongly defended nation in the world, but I oppose our current foreign policy that stretches our troops thin across the globe so we can play world policeman. This foolish endeavor costs us dearly in lives, and it has become far too expensive to sustain.

In the past 10 years, overall military spending has more than doubled, which should be extremely troubling for those claiming to be fiscally conservative. Frankly, it is impossible that government does not waste any of the hundreds of billions we spend on defense yearly.

We cannot control government's growth without reining in the expansion of the military industrial complex. If we are really serious about balancing the budget and addressing our unsustainable debt, nothing can be off the table.

For instance, President Obama claimed we were drawing down troop levels this year and turning over operations to the Iraqis. Surely, at least a 10 percent cost savings should have come from that move alone. Yet the funding for 2011 was exactly the same as 2010, and the spending outlook for 2012 doesn't seem to indicate any reductions in this area.

We will remain in great jeopardy if we do not immediately change course. Either we make the tough choices now, or we face the even tougher consequences later.

My Plan to Restore America does not cut one penny of defense. But it helps make America more secure, and it brings our troops home to defend this country. Under my plan, America will retain the strongest national defense in the world, but we will end expensive foreign wars, overseas nation building, and foreign welfare.

 

[dannno]

I doubt that.

Ron Paul has advocated for increases in defense spending because the amount we currently spend on defense is almost zero.. Because it is instead spent on offense.

Protecting American soil = "Defensive spending"

Meddling in other countries = "offensive spending"

 

[RJB]

You are the biggest sabatoger of liberty on this site. You twist everything around backwards and try to make people we can align with enemies.

+rep. Everything he posts is straight from the DNC's talking points.

One thing I will hand to Zippy is that he never claims to be a libertarian or anti-socialist. Rev on the other hand will claim to be a libertarian on one thread and then defend the SPLC labeling conservative and libertarian groups as terrorists in another.

 

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]Roy Moore Rides A Horse To The Polls In Alabama Special Election[/h]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/moore-horse-polls

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Ron Paul has advocated for increases in defense spending because the amount we currently spend on defense is almost zero.. Because it is instead spent on offense.

Ron meant that DoD spending should be dramatically reduced, to what is necessary for defense.

Moore is proposing that DoD spending be increased (like Trump, who just signed a $150 billion increase).

Those positions are diametrically opposed.

 

[timosman]

 

[dannno]

Ron meant that DoD spending should be dramatically reduced, to what is necessary for defense.

Moore is proposing that DoD spending be increased (like Trump, who just signed a $150 billion increase).

Those positions are diametrically opposed.

Yes, but both Trump and Moore are opposed to the wars we are in and if they were able to end them, and of course not start them in the first place, then the budget requirements would be far smaller than if ANYBODY else in DC were running things, besides Rand and Massie and a couple others.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, but both Trump and Moore are opposed to the wars we are in and if they were able to end them, and of course not start them in the first place, then the budget requirements would be far smaller than if ANYBODY else in DC were running things, besides Rand and Massie and a couple others.

Trump likes war. They help his "tough guy" image. He has expanded bombing in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya. Threatened military action against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela. Supported sending more troops to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan.

 

[dannno]

Trump likes war. They help his "tough guy" image. He has expanded bombing in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya. Threatened military action against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela. Supported sending more troops to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Trump doesn't like war, war costs money, he just likes using the threat of war to make deals. That means he can't look weak on war either, which sorta makes things difficult.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Trump doesn't like war, war costs money, he just likes using the threat of war to make deals. That means he can't look weak on war either, which sorta makes things difficult.

If it is not using his own money, he doesn't mind. He did just request $700 billion in military spending- $150 billion over last year. What deals has he made with Libya, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, Venezuela? He has even used the biggest non-nuclear weapon in our forces.