Poll: Judge Roy Moore leads competitors in runoff

[Anti Federalist]

The calls were made- just not by anybody at the Washington Post as the caller claimed.

And how is the person called supposed to know whether the call was legitimately from the WaPo?

 

[phill4paul]

And how is the person called supposed to know whether the call was legitimately from the WaPo?

I'd like to know how the WaPo got 4 accusations from women unfamiliar with each other. I find it hard to believe that 4 different women just, out of the blue, decided to contact WaPo.

 

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]Hillary Clinton Defends Al Franken After Sex Assault Accusations, But Doesn't Have Kind Words for Donald Trump and Roy Moore[/h]http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-defends-al-frankens-response-sex-assault-accusations-715946?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news

 

[Raginfridus]

Hillary Clinton Defends Al Franken After Sex Assault Accusations, But Doesn't Have Kind Words for Donald Trump and Roy Moore

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-cli...tm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news

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[Madison320]

The fake yearbook evidence is a big part of it, but the other way you usually know is from things like he is clearly an enemy of the establishment which provides strong motivation for a crime like this, as well as the fact that none of this stuff has ever come forward about him until now.. and then finally how the establishment media has organized against him and how they have been reporting it all.

If your'e paying attention, though, the media is starting to hedge on this one, because the yearbook forgery is really damning and they know it and they want to protect their brand. That is yet ANOTHER clue...



Well it depends on what they can prove with the yearbook photo lady, he may be able to sue her. The other ones it would be difficult to prove unless there was some evidence that it definitely didn't happen.. but it's that process of how this all happened and how the establishment and media coalesced with not a previous accusation that makes me think the whole thing is a setup by the establishment.

Does that mean there is not one woman here who is telling some vague amount of truth? Maybe he did date younger girls and made passes on occasion, but it could be none of that ever happened at all.

Since there is no evidence that he did anything bad, and the evidence we do have is setup against him, and that setup is coming from the political establishment, that is a good reason to support Moore in all this. It means they really don't like him.

It's sorta like how a bunch of people in the media downplayed and even blamed Rand for being attacked. That wouldn't have happened to an establishment politician. They would be treating that way, way different. That is because Rand is their enemy. Rand is a good person to support.

I think it is primarily or solely about their non-interventionist foreign policy, and actual commitment to small government.

You're only looking at a small subset of evidence when you look at these events, you need to broaden your horizon and look at the whole picture, it really helps a lot.

OK, but what I really want to know are the other two questions I asked:

Do you think the "groping photo" was a criminal act? Personally I don't think sexual harassment should be crime. Only sexual assault.

I don't think either Moore or Franken should be removed from office, it should be up to the voters. Do you think Franken should be charged with a crime or removed from office?

 

[dannno]

OK, but what I really want to know are the other two questions I asked:

Do you think the "groping photo" was a criminal act? Personally I don't think sexual harassment should be crime. Only sexual assault.

I don't think either Moore or Franken should be removed from office, it should be up to the voters. Do you think Franken should be charged with a crime or removed from office?

Ya I tried to answer those questions earlier and I don't really know how to answer them well.

I think it should become public what he did, since she chose to make it public, and I would hope the voters would stop voting for him - if anything else for being a hypocrite on the issue.

I don't think that Al Franken should definitely be kicked out of the Senate, but that is kinda up to the Senate. I suppose they could, but there are many other politicians who have done much worse so it would set a pretty low precedent.

If I were the girl, I wouldn't charge him with a crime, I would just make it public and say that it was hurtful and I want everybody to know what he did. I don't think jail time is going to provide any sort of restitution for her, and it doesn't really rise to the level of imprisonment to keep other women safe. Assaulting a woman in her sleep should be a crime, technically he committed it, but there is some context that makes it a little less severe than say a guy doing the same in a dark alley.

 

[Madison320]

If I were the girl, I wouldn't charge him with a crime, I would just make it public and say that it was hurtful and I want everybody to know what he did. I don't think jail time is going to provide any sort of restitution for her, and it doesn't really rise to the level of imprisonment to keep other women safe. Assaulting a woman in her sleep should be a crime, technically he committed it, but there is some context that makes it a little less severe than say a guy doing the same in a dark alley.

I can't believe you'd think that the "groping photo" thing would be even remotely close to being a crime. I think you are way off there. And it shouldn't be up to the victim to determine whether some act is a crime. The victim can determine if they want to press charges, but not if the act is actually criminal or not.

The other part where Franken was trying to get her to rehearse the kissing scene is much worse but I still don't think it's ca real crime. A real crime needs to be physical or the threat of it. If Franken was physically trying to restrain her against her will, or threatened it, that would be a crime. But if she just has to say no and that's the end of it, it shouldn't be a crime.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

That would be a horrendous precedent and violation of the constitution. Roy Moore, and the state of Alabama would bring it to court. There's no way the senate can force another election on the state until after expulsion of Moore.

Art. I Sec. 5

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

Moore can bring it to court, sure, and the court will decline to make a decision.

It's a "political question," like impeachment of a President.

As I said, the courts won't touch it.

 

[phill4paul]

Art. I Sec. 5



Moore can bring it to court, sure, and the court will decline to make a decision.

It's a "political question," like impeachment of a President.

As I said, the courts won't touch it.

I don't think it's about Moore bring it forward. However, if he is elected, and denied, the state could bring it before the supreme's and they would have to answer.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't think it's about Moore bring it forward. However, if he is elected, and denied, the state could bring it before the supreme's and they would have to answer.

The State could do that, sure.

And the SCOTUS would deny certiorari.

No court will ever review this decision.

 

[dannno]

I can't believe you'd think that the "groping photo" thing would be even remotely close to being a crime. I think you are way off there. And it shouldn't be up to the victim to determine whether some act is a crime. The victim can determine if they want to press charges, but not if the act is actually criminal or not.

The other part where Franken was trying to get her to rehearse the kissing scene is much worse but I still don't think it's ca real crime. A real crime needs to be physical or the threat of it. If Franken was physically trying to restrain her against her will, or threatened it, that would be a crime. But if she just has to say no and that's the end of it, it shouldn't be a crime.

How can she say no if she is asleep?

Pretty sure if you go up to a girl on the street and honk her boobs like that, she can charge you with assault.

 

[spudea]

Art. I Sec. 5



Moore can bring it to court, sure, and the court will decline to make a decision.

It's a "political question," like impeachment of a President.

As I said, the courts won't touch it.

No they can't do whatever they want. The constitution sets the qualifications, and the states determine their methods of elections and selection of their senators. Each house can judge these terms and certify the candidate has met these terms, but to deny to seat a duly elected candidate that meets the constitutional qualifications would constitute a trespass against the state of Alabama. When brought to federal court it would be a easy decision for a Judge to say anyone seeking to prevent Roy Moore from entering the senate will be in contempt and face jail time.

The question on seating a senator is stupid anyways. They could just immediately hold a vote to expel. I'm sure they have the 2/3rds needed to kick out roy moore right now.

 

[pao]

The other part where Franken was trying to get her to rehearse the kissing scene is much worse but I still don't think it's ca real crime. A real crime needs to be physical or the threat of it. If Franken was physically trying to restrain her against her will, or threatened it, that would be a crime. But if she just has to say no and that's the end of it, it shouldn't be a crime.

I also think the "kiss" was much worse...
From what I heard in her interview, he physically forced their mouths together by grabbing the back of her head and shoved his tongue into her mouth, and she had to strongly push him away to get him to stop. That sounds pretty physical and restraining to me.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

No they can't do whatever they want. The constitution sets the qualifications, and the states determine their methods of elections and selection of their senators. Each house can judge these terms and certify the candidate has met these terms, but to deny to seat a duly elected candidate that meets the constitutional qualifications would constitute a trespass against the state of Alabama. When brought to federal court it would be a easy decision for a Judge to say anyone seeking to prevent Roy Moore from entering the senate will be in contempt and face jail time.

The question on seating a senator is stupid anyways. They could just immediately hold a vote to expel. I'm sure they have the 2/3rds needed to kick out roy moore right now.

That isn't what will happen.

 

[euphemia]

How can she say no if she is asleep?

Pretty sure if you go up to a girl on the street and honk her boobs like that, she can charge you with assault.

When I heard her tell it, Franken had pretty much been a jerk the whole trip.

I have a very low tolerance for that sort of nonsense. Men are hard wired to be display their manliness and to be aggressive. I get that. At the same time, I am not going to let a man keep embarrassing himself if I'm not interested. "Dude, you've got to stop." And I don't mind saying that loudly. One chance, and I go into crescendo. "Sir, I don't think you heard me." "Sir, I think I was very clear." "Sir, keep your hands to yourself and leave me alone."

He would have understood very well, and would have been in too much pain to mug for the camera after that.

 

[Swordsmyth]

“Donations have been pouring in from Alabama and from all over the country in an unprecedented way,” Moore campaign manager Brett Doster told The Post on Saturday.
Moore’s campaign raised $500,000 in three days last week and ramped up its online fundraising efforts, Doster said.
The embattled Republican collected more online donations between Nov. 10 and Nov. 15 — the first six days after the scandal broke — than in the six weeks after winning the GOP nomination in a contentious September primary, Doster confirmed.
“We are confident that we will have the resources over the next three weeks to finish strong with victory,” he said.

More at: https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/roy-moore-cashes-in-after-hes-accused-of-chasing-high-school-girls/

 

[spudea]

That isn't what will happen.

Stanley Brand, an expert in congressional ethics investigations, said a vote to expel Moore could run afoul of the 1969 Supreme Court Powell v. McCormack ruling, because Moore’s alleged misconduct took place before the election and was known to voters.

The court ruled nearly 50 years ago that the House acted unconstitutionally by voting overwhelmingly to exclude Adam Clayton Powell Jr. of New York because of alleged personal and financial misconduct.

“If the electorate votes for that member notwithstanding the conduct, the presumption is they’ve condoned or pardoned the conduct,” Brand said.

He noted the Supreme Court ruled in Powell v. McCormack that the qualifications for the Senate are fixed in the constitution and Moore meets them as a resident of Alabama over the minimum age requirement.

“You can’t refuse to seat a member who possesses those qualifications. That leaves open the issue of whether you could expel that member,” Brand said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360970-senate-gop-running-out-of-options-to-stop-moore

Brief Fact Summary. After being elected to the House of Representatives (the House), the House denied membership to the Plaintiff-Petitioner, Powell (Plaintiff). Plaintiff now sues for installment as a representative.

https://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law...he-federal-judicial-power/powell-v-mccormack/

Anything else Rev?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Trump spokeswoman Conway says don't vote for Doug Jones so they can get a vote on the tax plan but refuses to actually endorse Roy Moore on Fox TV. When asked about voting for Moore she changed the subject back to Jones.

Kellyanne Conway suggested that the White House remains open to Roy Moore's embattled senate candidacy on Monday when she told Fox & friends that "we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through" -- less than a week after Conway said that "no Senate seat is worth more than a child" in the wake of a series of sexual allegations against Moore.

Conway was interviewed by Fox News on Monday morning, and was discussing tax reform when she began hammering Doug Jones, the Democrat in the Alabama Senate race.

"Doug Jones in Alabama, folks, don't be fooled. He will be a vote against tax cuts. He is weak on crime. Weak on borders. He is strong on raising your taxes. He is terrible for property owners."

The "Fox & Friends" hosts seemed surprised by Conway's remarks, and host Brian Kilmeade cut in, "So vote Roy Moore?"

"I'm telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through. And the media -- if the media were really concerned about all of these allegations, and if that's what this is truly about, and the Democrats -- Al Franken would be on the ash heap of bygone half funny comedians," Conway said, referencing allegations made against the Minnesota senator.

Kilmeade then noted that "the RNC has withdrawn support for Roy Moore, Mitch McConnell has withdrawn support, so have the Young Republicans, withdrawn support."

"And a lot of women," co-host Ainsley Earhardt added.

But Conway was undeterred. "Right. And you know what? I just want everybody to know, Doug Jones, nobody ever says his name, and pretends he is some kind of conservative Democrat in Alabama. And he's not."

Later, Conway said that "there is no plan" for Trump to campaign for Moore in Alabama, but added that Trump "is going to continue traveling around the country on tax cuts and other issues."
Conway's comments Monday were a significant departure from the White House's previous rhetoric on Moore -- and her own.

Many White House representatives, including director of legislative affairs Marc Short, had previously referred questions about Moore to a neutral statement issued by Press Secretary Sarah Sanders while President Trump was on a 12-day trip in Asia.

"Like most Americans, the President believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago, to destroy a person's life. The President also believes that if these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step aside," Sanders had said.

 

[dannno]

I can't believe you'd think that the "groping photo" thing would be even remotely close to being a crime. I think you are way off there.

Let's say Biff was at a frat party and there was a picture taken of him groping a passed out girl's breasts and it got out.

How fast would Biff be expelled from school and charged with sexual assault?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Let's say Biff was at a frat party and there was a picture taken of him groping a passed out girl's breasts and it got out.

How fast would Biff be expelled from school and charged with sexual assault?

Let's say he posted a video on Facebook where he bragged about groping women. Should he be kicked out of school?