POLL: Do you believe in human-caused ("AGW") global warming?

Do you believe in human-caused global warming?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 9 10.2%
  • No.

    Votes: 79 89.8%

  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .

Neil Desmond

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Do you believe in human-caused ("AGW") global warming? Answering "no" indicates that you are either skeptical or that you think it simply isn't true at all.
 
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I believe in Solar caused climate change. I don't think humans have much if any affect on it.
 
I believe in Solar caused climate change. I don't think humans have much if any affect on it.
If you believe in solar-caused, but not human-caused, global warming, then the answer to this poll would be "no." It would only be "yes" if you believe that humans are doing things to cause global warming to happen (assuming that global warming is happening in the first place).
 
'twould be kind of nice if it were possible. Then we could have year-round growing seasons everywhere. :)
 
'twould be kind of nice if it were possible. Then we could have year-round growing seasons everywhere. :)
So what you're saying is it would be nice if we could affect the climate, because then that means we could control it thus make it work to our benefit? Whoah, that's deep!
 
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Yes.

How many barrels of oil do we pump out of the ground each day and then light on fire; burn?

Yes.

overgrazed land turned to desert

Yes.

100's of k hectares was cool moist rainforest, now agrobusiness

Yes

How much natural gas does Haarp burn? How much atmosphere does it "actively" heat?

Yes

bovine methane

Yes

Swampland drained

Yes

Fiery hell of war

Yes

Ice breaking in the arctic

Yes

How many cubic feet of net exothermic "climate controlled space"?

Yes

tons of coal burnt fiery hot that would have otherwise stayed buried

Yes

nuclear energy and bombs testing et al

Yes

was a free flowing cool river, now a hot dry river bed and lots of electric energy heating homes.

yes

Was a grass pasture, now black walmart parking lot.

yes

How many miles of hot black asphalt make up the global highway system?

yes

urban heat island effect

yes

chlorofluorocarbon hole in ozone that protects us from incoming hot solar radiation

yes

and on and on...
 
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Just in case anyone is wondering, "human-caused" does not necessarily mean that humans are intentionally, or are even aware that their actions are, causing it to happen. Also, to clarify, the actions in question means basically: the use of technology or manipulation of the environment (in other words, something we do naturally, like breathing out CO[sub]2[/sub], doesn't count).
 
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I view AGW like a view God -- I don't know if it's real, true believers on each side annoy me, and its existence or non-existence doesn't change the way I'll live.
 
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My opinion- yes CO2 has increased in the extreme short term (last few hundred years), and it is scientific fact that increased CO2 causes warming, but it looks like CO2 rises and falls in cycles. Here is a ~300k year old chart, for a 4.5 billion year old planet:

antarctic_icecoreT.gif


That said, pollution is harmful to our environment, and the market should absolutely look into cleaner resources (natural gas, solar, wind, nuclear, etc).
 
Definitely happening, enough studies have been done by scientists over the entire globe to confirm that carbon dioxide is a powerful greenhouse gas.

I'm not looking forward to finding out how much warming we will actually see, and the changes to weather patterns it will bring.
 
Humans are asking for it though. We willingly are creating a bottleneck in the genetic diversity of our main crops. This is a bad thing, and with genetically enhanced yields come deficiencies as regards vitality. At the same time, we are using pesticides to give the illusion of control, and now the pest population is becoming increasingly pesticide resistance. Imagine that? If the crops failed? If swarms of pesticide locusts discover the midwest? We do the same with our beef. I say we do it because we accept it, as a species. That is my real bone with bio engineering done by human kind, a kind that can see little farther than fifty years.
 
That is my real bone with bio engineering done by human kind, a kind that can see little farther than fifty years.

In a science and engineering sense, I'm not sure people can even see 50-years ahead. But that is almost always a benefit, not a liability. Advances occur so rapidly that the entire technological landscape is entirely foreign to what nearly anyone could have imagined 50 years ago.
 
Here is a CO2 chart that goes back even further than 400k years. Obviosuly, there were a variety of factors that contributed to higher CO2 levels (volcanoes, location of the continents, etc).

paleocarbon.gif


So, CO2 levels and average worldwide temperatures are at their lowest levels since the beginning of the Permian period.
 
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