Police Tracking Your Every Move With License Plate Readers

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Since this is a tech site and not a political site, I think the comments are representative of our society.

Police Tracking Your Every Move With License Plate Readers
Is a law enforcement aid worth sacrificing personal liberties?

http://www.webpronews.com/police-tracking-your-every-move-with-license-plate-readers-2011-11

 

[Becker]

License plate is not a personal liberty. You are not obligated to drive, nor do you have a right to drive without license and permission.

 

[seapilot]

License plate is not a personal liberty. You are not obligated to drive, nor do you have a right to drive without license and permission.

That is right we get our rights from the government not our creator. We also have no right to travel unrestricted either. How did people get away without registering their horses and carriages years ago? Absolute chaos.

 

[ZanZibar]

License plate is not a personal liberty. You are not obligated to drive, nor do you have a right to drive without license and permission.

If you live in an authoritarian state, then yes you are correct.

 

[Becker]

That is right we get our rights from the government not our creator.

you can say you get your rights from yourself for all I care, let's see you exercise them.

We also have no right to travel unrestricted either.

you don't. Not when it's not your property and not when public roads have an interest in public safety

How did people get away without registering their horses and carriages years ago? Absolute chaos.

the same way they got away with not letting women and blacks vote, and the natural speed limit which was objectively safer than today's car speed capability. not to mention not every person could afford a horse and carriage.

 

[Becker]

If you live in an authoritarian state, then yes you are correct.

what industrialized country doesnt have license plates? What non-license plate country do you prefer to live in?

 

[Paul Revered]

License plate is not a personal liberty. You are not obligated to drive, nor do you have a right to drive without license and permission.

On what basis do you make the assertion that I don't have a right to drive? Please don't reference some de facto statutory law, and tell me that it trumps my inalienable right to move freely. Let's hear a logical argument of why I need permission to use a motor to drive my wheels, over using muscle power. By your philosophy, do we need permission to use a motor to drive a printing press?

 

[Paul Revered]

you can say you get your rights from yourself for all I care, let's see you exercise them.

It's my understanding that Michael Badnarik has been fairly successful at exercising his.

 

[Danke]

On what basis do you make the assertion that I don't have a right to drive? Please don't reference some de facto statutory law, and tell me that it trumps my inalienable right to move freely. Let's hear a logical argument of why I need permission to use a motor to drive my wheels, over using muscle power. By your philosophy, do we need permission to use a motor to drive a printing press?

You have to right to travel in the conveyance of your choice. "Driving" in the legal sense is a privileged.

 

[Paul Revered]

you don't. Not when it's not your property and not when public roads have an interest in public safety

Can you explain to me why I pay property taxes, on "my" land, even the portion of "my" land which is paved with a "public" road?

 

[Becker]

On what basis do you make the assertion that I don't have a right to drive?

the basis that it poses a safety risk which can be avoided. A car is objectively higher risk than a horse, a person walking and lower risk than a tank, airplane.

Please don't reference some de facto statutory law, and tell me that it trumps my inalienable right to move freely.

i dont recognize your right to begin with, so no problem.

Let's hear a logical argument of why I need permission to use a motor to drive my wheels, over using muscle power. By your philosophy, do we need permission to use a motor to drive a printing press?

you need permission if and when you are traveling in a way that would pose risk to others, why do you obey traffic signs and lights? don't have you a right not to?
printing press does not move around on public roads, so no. and you are free to start your engine on your own land, even if it moves.

 

[Becker]

Can you explain to me why I pay property taxes, on "my" land, even the portion of "my" land which is paved with a "public" road?

I can explain it to you but I don't expect you to agree or accept it.

Would you be happier if I said you own no land and have no property?

 

[Paul Revered]

what industrialized country doesnt have license plates? What non-license plate country do you prefer to live in?

What exactly does industrialism have to do with natural rights?

 

[Becker]

You have to right to travel in the conveyance of your choice. "Driving" in the legal sense is a privileged.

is driving synonymous with operation of a motor vehicle?
are vehicles licenses because they take gas or because of the speed they produce?
but even bicycles are not allowed to travel on freeways and left lanes. (let's assume a person is willing to take the risk, is it legal for him to put his tricycle or set foot on where cars are designated?)

 

[Paul Revered]

I can explain it to you but I don't expect you to agree or accept it.

That remains to be seen.

 

[Becker]

What exactly does industrialism have to do with natural rights?

LMAO, that's the problem, you don't think it has to do with it.

You ignore the fact that industrialism demands regulations to maintain safety and civility. NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION, is there one?

Give me ONE great country that respect natural rights but is also industrial enough for you to want to live there. I prefer industrial life with safety regulations because those stupid "natural rights" mean nothing if I have to give up this lifestyle.

 

[Becker]

It's my understanding that Michael Badnarik has been fairly successful at exercising his.

which ones specifically?

 

[Paul Revered]

are vehicles licenses because they take case or because of the speed they produce?

That is not the premise upon which the first license plate was issued. It was issued because a vehicle without a muffler was scaring horses. As there are very few horses on our roads today, this law seems to be somewhat outdated.

 

[Becker]

That is not the premise upon which the first license plate was issued. It was issued because a vehicle without a muffler was scaring horses. As there are very few horses on our roads today, this law seems to be somewhat outdated.

i meant take gas, sorry.

and you assume that there cannot be other reasons that later also concludes licensing is a good idea.

 

[Paul Revered]

Give me ONE great country that respect natural rights but is also industrial enough for you to want to live there. I prefer industrial life with safety regulations because those stupid "natural rights" mean nothing if I have to give up this lifestyle.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin