Police Shooting - Graphic

[S.Shorland]

Well that explains it then.Very sad indeed.As soon as I saw him pick up the gun,I'd start shooting

This is an old story.

From what I remember, the officer got in trouble for being too offensive and thus he was so apprehensive in this case. This is what you get when cops assume the role of tyrants and not what they were sworn to be: Protectors of liberty.

 

[ClayTrainor]

That was nightmarish to listen to. Very scary footage.

 

[AGRP]

Well that explains it then.Very sad indeed.As soon as I saw him pick up the gun,I'd start shooting

Its horrible what happened to him, but its really a symptom of what they do.

They trample on our liberties virtually without any accountability. Then when they do get in serious trouble (threat of being fired) they behave sheepishly like this officer did when he really needed to protect himself.

Sad.

 

[bkreigh]

Some of these comments are ridiculous.

What evidence do any of you have that this particular cop has trampled on any liberties.

Some of you have so much hate for cops you cant see straight.

I love the use of "they" as well. Like ALL cops act the same way. Using that logic then i guess all Ron Paul supports are assholes because i am one. Some of you fucks are something else.

 

[BUSHLIED]

Seems to me that this police officer was inexperienced...

1. The person got out of the car almost immediately, re-flag #1
2. He was obviously belligerant re-flag #2
3. Said he was Vietnam Vet. red flag#3
4. Was unafriad of the officer pointing his gun at him. Redflag #4
5. Clearly was looking for something in the truck (i.e M1 rifle). Red Flag #5
6. The cop never radio-ed for back-up when the driver didn't comply on the first few requests.
7. Should have retreated when the rifle was drawn.
8. Where is the police shotgun?

Sadly, he was clearly out-matched by the Vet who was clearly willing to take a hit as he approached with suppressing fire...

That said, the "vet" committed murder and should be put to death...

 

[bkreigh]

The Army officer had warned the police officer by charging at him and saying he is "Vietnam veteran". So police should have backed off.

Usually police officers have a bad habit of pointing Guns at strangers. Some people get angry with this.

I think the army officer must have said "you have a gun. I have a better gun with me". He got angry and the Gun fight started resulting in the death of police officer. Army people are aggressive because they trained to fight and they have seen death in war zones.

Look at the way the army officer charges at the police during the gun fight. This how army kills its enemy in wars.

I would say the police officer is responsible for his own death. So the army officer should be released from the prison.

Are you freakin serious? So i guess any military person can go around shooting whomever up because they are badasses or something? Just because you are a Vet doesnt give you a fucking pass to kill people.

 

[bkreigh]

Seems to me that this police officer was inexperienced...

1. The person got out of the car almost immediately, re-flag #1
2. He was obviously belligerant re-flag #2
3. Said he was Vietnam Vet. red flag#3
4. Was unafriad of the officer pointing his gun at him. Redflag #4
5. Clearly was looking for something in the truck (i.e M1 rifle). Red Flag #5
6. The cop never radio-ed for back-up when the driver didn't comply on the first few requests.
7. Should have retreated when the rifle was drawn.
8. Where is the police shotgun?

Sadly, he was clearly out-matched by the Vet who was clearly willing to take a hit as he approached with suppressing fire...

That said, the "vet" committed murder and should be put to death...

Agreed 100%.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

Some of these comments are ridiculous.

What evidence do any of you have that this particular cop has trampled on any liberties.

Some of you have so much hate for cops you cant see straight.

I love the use of "they" as well. Like ALL cops act the same way. Using that logic then i guess all Ron Paul supports are assholes because i am one. Some of you fucks are something else.

I have to agree with this. Some of you guys are being wayyy too collectivist in your arguments on this thread. That being said, the video was extremely heartbreaking, and I wish there was some just way of punishing this guy, because I oppose the death penalty on principle.

 

[AGRP]

Some of these comments are ridiculous.

What evidence do any of you have that this particular cop has trampled on any liberties.

Some of you have so much hate for cops you cant see straight.

I love the use of "they" as well. Like ALL cops act the same way. Using that logic then i guess all Ron Paul supports are assholes because i am one. Some of you fucks are something else.

From what I remember, the officer in question was reprimanded for his past actions and was on the verge of losing his job if he continued to act the way he did. If cops werent continually allowed to blindly/needlessly trample on our liberties, then they wouldn't be put into the scenario (threat of job loss) that this officer was in. He wouldnt have been so afraid to defend himself when he really needed to.

 

[AFPVet]

When we discussed this situation in training, we concluded that he froze up. He was one of those people who couldn't make the judgement to shoot when it counted. You have to be able to make a split second decision to shoot or not to shoot. One mistake can mean prison or lawsuit—while the other means you go home in a bag.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

From what I remember, the officer in question was reprimanded for his past actions and was on the verge of losing his job if he continued to act the way he did. If cops werent continually allowed to blindly/needlessly trample on our liberties, then they wouldn't be put into the scenario (threat of job loss) that this officer was in. He wouldnt have been so afraid to defend himself when he really needed to.

I would agree with you if the actions of the police officer would have been questionable in the situation that led to his death. I'm really not understanding how the officer (in this situation) trampled on the suspect's liberties - clearly, driving at 98 mph on a highway is reckless behavior and the suspect should have been apprehended for that. I don't think any questionable actions on the officer's part in the past should serve as rationale for his murder.

Of course, we're not getting the whole story here. Maybe the officer was aggressive in this situation (which still doesn't mean he deserved in any way to get gunned down like that). However, from the video, I don't see any evidence of that whatsoever.

 

[BUSHLIED]

From what I remember, the officer in question was reprimanded for his past actions and was on the verge of losing his job if he continued to act the way he did. If cops werent continually allowed to blindly/needlessly trample on our liberties, then they wouldn't be put into the scenario (threat of job loss) that this officer was in. He wouldnt have been so afraid to defend himself when he really needed to.

Initially I was unaware of the back-story to this altercation. One then can understand the reluctance of the officer to handle the situation more appropriately, offensively. That being said, the "Vet" drew a gun and regardless the police officer had the right to defend himself in that situation. You would think that self-preservation would kick in instead he kept shouting at the guy. Either the cop runs away and or immediately opens fire. Looked like the officer took a defensive posture behind the car while engaging in a fire fight, without scoring a lucky shot, he was doomed. From a quick search, the M1 appears to hold 30 rounds of ammo and I assume the cop had a .9mm which holds about 17 rounds of ammo. I hope we can all learn something from this...

 

[Freedom 4 all]

Hmm, well that's the other end of the extreme. I would have shot him as soon as he reached for his gun. Although it wouldn't have come to that as I would have wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him as soon as it was clear he had some severe mental problems and required help. However, cops shouldn't use videos like this to excuse their brutality. There is a happy medium between way too much force (most times) and not nearly enough (this time).

 

[bkreigh]

From what I remember, the officer in question was reprimanded for his past actions and was on the verge of losing his job if he continued to act the way he did. If cops werent continually allowed to blindly/needlessly trample on our liberties, then they wouldn't be put into the scenario (threat of job loss) that this officer was in. He wouldnt have been so afraid to defend himself when he really needed to.

Id like evidence of that. I dont remember anything about this and you "remembering correctly" doesnt hold to much water either. Either way it doesnt mean he should pay with his life. Finally, if he was under investigation then his supervisors were questioning his job performance then they should have taken him of the beat.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

When we discussed this situation in training, we concluded that he froze up. He was one of those people who couldn't make the judgement to shoot when it counted. You have to be able to make a split second decision to shoot or not to shoot. One mistake can mean prison, while the other means you go home in a bag.

He also seemed to be intimidated by the guy.

If you (the officer) have a handgun and they reach in the car, you are likely to be outgunned very soon. It seems like you would have either of two choices: stay on top of him, or jump in the car and back way off. The officer took an option of backing up, putting him out of accurate pistol range, yet leaving himself open to the rifle. Maybe that is part of freezing up.

 

[AFPVet]

When the subject was walking back and disregarding orders, that was the appropriate time to use a taser.

 

[bkreigh]

When the subject was walking back and disregarding orders, that was the appropriate time to use a taser.

It was appropriate when the guy charged at the office after doing his little jig.

This was in 98 so who knows if they had them back then.

 

[AGRP]

I'm really not understanding how the officer (in this situation) trampled on the suspect's liberties - clearly, driving at 98 mph on a highway is reckless behavior and the suspect should have been apprehended for that. I don't think any questionable actions on the officer's part in the past should serve as rationale for his murder.

From the statistical standpoint, officers needlessly approach (and escalate) peaceful and harmless situations.


One way or another if you play with fire enough, you will get burned.

 

[AFPVet]

It was appropriate when the guy charged at the office after doing his little jig.

This was in 98 so who knows if they had them back then.

Oh yeah I forgot about that... yep. Heck I carried pepper instead of a taser, but that stuff put you into a hurt even if it just got on your skin. I carried Sabre with mil grade CS... great stuff. I was only a civi cop for a year 2006-07 and I remember they had tasers several years before that.

 

[AGRP]

Id like evidence of that. I dont remember anything about this and you "remembering correctly" doesnt hold to much water either. Either way it doesnt mean he should pay with his life. Finally, if he was under investigation then his supervisors were questioning his job performance then they should have taken him of the beat.

Where did i say he should pay with his life?

The explanation I am giving probably would have saved his life.