PLEASE PLEASE fill out your State C4L org info at the RPF's WIKI!

GunnyFreedom said:
No you did not. The use of the RP08 PCC as temporary C4L state coordinators is just until your state can meet up and elect officers. If nobody is doing it in your state, I would take the initiative (I am doing this in my state currently) to contact the National C4L group, find out FIRST if your state even HAS a state coordinator assigned, find out what their requirements are for a package submitted to affiliate with National, and then gather as many folks in your state as you can to form a "Mass Meeting To Organize a Permanent Society" (See sections 53 and 54 in the 10th edition of Robert's Rules of Order for guidelines)

If you can get 30 people together to vote and elect officers, approve bylaws, and approve a Plan of Organization, then YOU will be your state chapter of the C4L.

I would go to the C4L website as soon as you can, find the "contact us" address, and basically ask, "Who is my state coordinator, and what do we have to do to form a state C4L chapter affiliated with C4L national?" Then, when they answer, follow their instructions, hold your meeting, submit your package, and voila! you will then have a permanent state C4L chapter.
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Thank you, Gunny! *runs to alert her meetup group*
 
Julian said:
Uh, what? Sorry, I guess I'm a little dense, you're reply went right over my head.

All I know is that the GOP establishment in WA is trying to do anything they can to keep us out of the process. They phonebanked against our contested PCO candidates, spreading lies that we are leftists, etc. They are not going to stop there, they want us to go away, and will use any tactic they can think of to make it happen. I don't think we should make it easy for them, by posting potentially sensitive information all in one place.
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You think the $35 minimum limit will keep them out?

My point is this,

1) paranoia will get you nowhere. acting out on your fear of "infiltration" or whatever will not only turn people off that don't care for the "hush-hush" atmosphere and the paranoid mindset, it will also turn those off who seek basic information only to find a long row of hoops they must jump through first.

you will turn off 1,000 people to protect yourself from 1 or 2.

i think you and others really need to consider that and its implications as you move forward in your attempts to develop and grow the organization.

2) a closed-source mentality (which is clearly the approach so far) will kill the organization before it starts, preventing it from ever become a force to be reckoned with.


Again, constructive criticism, you're free to take it or leave it.
 
constituent said:
constructive criticism bump:

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isn't going over well.



take it or leave it.
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This definitely concerns me, but we'll see what happens. My meetup is already fired up and ready to go and we just got the info a few minutes ago. We'll see what happens. If anything we're becoming organized as both RP Republicans and Libertarians, working together to try to get better people elected.
 
Julian said:
I don't think it's a great idea to post all this information publicly on the internet, all in one place. It makes it to easy for the wrong people to get all the organizational contacts for the entire country, and also makes it way to easy for software to harvest all those email addresses. We may be out in the open now, but we don't need to be that public.
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We all need to choose our own level of involvement. Complete transparency and honesty is the best way to win over the minds of those that are tired of lies. We can't hide like a bunch of militants. We are trying to have a peaceful revolutionary takeover. I have no problem with screaming to America "hey, here I am, Mr. Micah Dardar, and I proudly represent the views of Ron Paul, the Founding Fathers, and the Founding Documents of the United States of America". "I will act like the 1st Amendment exists until they cut my tongue out or execute me."

If you want to remain quiet, then you may not want to try for a position. We need people that are willing to put their name, and maybe even their life, on the line in the name of our nation and Constitution. Ron Paul did it for us, and it's the least we could do for him.
 
Debbie Hopper said:
I'm not sure where this information is coming from, but it's not correct.
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Hello Debbie,

I know who you are, but I think if you examine what I said...all importantly: in context, then is has to be true.

The senario as it was given:

A state with no PCC or coordinator AT ALL,
no existing C4L structure AT ALL,
no C4L contact AT ALL;

I said:

FIRST contact National and find out if there is a point of contact for the state
and if there truly was NOT,
THEN find out from National what the requirements for forming a state chapter are
THEN gather all the dedicated Ron Paul people you can find
THEN meet the requirements set by national to become a state chapter,
and THEN you will be the state C4L chapter.

In other words, the statement that one could "get 30 people together" to form their own chapter only applies if National verifies that ther is NO state C4L contact or structure whatsoever, and if those 30 people met all the requirements set out by National to become a state chapter.

As far as I know, this is exactly what we discussed in Minnesota.

In other words, when you take the statement in context, then if, and only if National verifies that their state has NOBODY, then find out national's requirements, gather the people, and form your own.

In Minnesota, we were told that the C4L was bottom-up and not top-down, and that it would be up to us to form our groups, elect our officers, and submit our packages.

I think you will find that if there indeed is ZERO contact or structure in a given state, as verified by National, and they gathered their RP People together to form a state chapter, this is exactly the logical conclusion of what we were told in Minnesota.
 
Micah Dardar said:
We all need to choose our own level of involvement. Complete transparency and honesty is the best way to win over the minds of those that are tired of lies. We can't hide like a bunch of militants. We are trying to have a peaceful revolutionary takeover. I have no problem with screaming to America "hey, here I am, Mr. Micah Dardar, and I proudly represent the views of Ron Paul, the Founding Fathers, and the Founding Documents of the United States of America". "I will act like the 1st Amendment exists until they cut my tongue out or execute me."

If you want to remain quiet, then you may not want to try for a position. We need people that are willing to put their name, and maybe even their life, on the line in the name of our nation and Constitution. Ron Paul did it for us, and it's the least we could do for him.
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While I agree with this...all of this...wholeheartedly -- I think it's POSSIBLE that a tactical scenario may occur in a given state where it is still a good idea to remain under the radar for another year, or 2 at the very most.

For instance, if it would truly help the 2009 & 2011 GOP take-back to sneak C4L-ers into the convention cycle by the gross, then maybe that state should sneak, if only to facilitate the take-back.

Honestly, I am with you in that I don't see a whole heckuvalot of scenarios in which an anonymous C4L coordinator would be a benefit, even in an openly hostile state. Indeed, I think it would be a detriment to the very necessary recruiting effort required to build up enough manpower to "vote the bastards out" of their GOP Chairs. But I am allowing for the possibility that they are facing a scenario that I can not envision or foresee.

Nonetheless, they would need to have at LEAST a State contact so that people on RPF's from Washington who want to help the C4L can contact them and be directed to their local coordinator.

Also, being a publicly registered group with elected officers, the identity of those officers will be public knowledge ANYWAY, which the GOP will be able to easily find, so I don't honestly know what good hiding a name on RPF's would do, but...again, I don't know everything. ;)
 
I just want to say a hearty thank you! to the following awesome liberty-loving souls who have helped update the list thus far:

shesapainter, rancher89, The Lantern, Scribbler de Stebbing, torchbearer, ARealConservative, brandonyates, NCGOPer_for_Paul, salinaspaul, raystone, Ron Paul Vermont, Krippy, gunjin22, austin4paul, JS4Pat
 
GunnyFreedom said:
If anybody on the planet should be able to get you the correct info & points of contact for your state & requirements for setting up a state chapter -- it's Debbie. :)
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Thanks again, Gunny. and for your clarification above. I'm going to call HQ today and see what I can come up with. I'm hoping we don't already have someone assigned to us just because if we did and nobody in our meetup even knows who it is... well... that would not be a good sign.
 
LittleLightShining said:
Thanks again, Gunny. and for your clarification above. I'm going to call HQ today and see what I can come up with. I'm hoping we don't already have someone assigned to us just because if we did and nobody in our meetup even knows who it is... well... that would not be a good sign.
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It's not as bad as you think. One of your first-first actions will be voting for your State C4L Coordinator. If you have that much of an issue with the person they identify -- vote for someone else. ;)
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Hmm, it is awful hard to coordinate a State or a District, without a State or a District Coordinator...
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wrong.

though as a military type i can see why you would feel that way.


like i said, take it or leave it. i see you'll leave it, your choice and fine by me.
 
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