Please Give IT BACK I beg of you.

[cosmeg]

Ron Paul For 2008
Defender of LIBERTY something White Supremacist don't really advocate.

Defender of EQUALITY something the White Supremacist REALLY don't advocate

Defender of the Constitution something that White Supremacist would wipe with there own ass as long as it meant mass extinction of minority races. I know who I am supporting, don't try to spin that Bullshit on me.

You do realize you're talking to a bunch of Ron Paul Grassroots Supporters, and not Ron Paul himself, right? If you want to convince him to give it back, email his campaign staff.

As for returning the money, I agree with Ron Paul on his position. Let's discuss something contructive, not destructive, returning the money would be considered flip-flop.

 

[bmcosti]

Think about it. Do you really see the greatest champion of individual liberty this century cutting a check to a white supremacist individual. I would never write that check. I think that RP would rather stick needles in his eyes that write that check.

 

[Original_Intent]

The campaign handled it perfectly.

 

[NMCB3]

It`s impossible to screen every donor for "approved" beliefs. He did the right thing.

 

[SPmachina033]

Look, in case you don't know it, even racial separtists have constitutional rights. Oh, I know you hate that, but deal with it. A campaign donation is freedom of speech. Anyone from David Duke to Louis Farrakhan has an interest in liberty and the constituion. Don't like it? Vote for Hillary.

Exactly!

Sorry Imbrians but I don't agree with you. The white supremacists still have the right to donate to whomever they wish. I am positive Ron Paul isn't the only candidate that has received money from that type. He just happened to get money from one who is very well known. The MSM already has it out for RP so it is easy to see why he is being targeted for this. Racism is a terrible thing but it does exist whether we like it or not. Think about how many racist people there are in this country. I know personally atleast a dozen (sadly). But the fact is they are not as open about it so therefore it does not draw as much attention. Not trying to be mean but get over it. If Ron Paul's message is freedom and getting out of people's personal lives then returning the $500 would contradict that...

 

[Castrensis]

Considering how Ron Paul handled the direct questioning of Neil Cavuto on Fox today, I say bring it on. That money is spent already and I don't want 500 dollars I donate to Ron Paul to go to a white supremicist. Also, Dr Paul uses this kind of thing to pont out where media takes the focus off the issues. If you haven't seen this interview here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

lolz! RP the HAWK! He took the Old Media to the washers with his reasoned rebuttal of a $500 donation amongst millions!

Thanks much for posting!

 

[susano]

This story came from hard core left wing/communist blogs, who are way into race baiting. they are the same sources who say Ron is affiliated with the KKK. I won't even link to their sites. Justin Raimondo of AntiWar.com knows who they are. They are vile, anti USA, globalists, who are in over-drive to bring about the new world order. They detest ANYTHING that has to do with the constitution or American soveriegnty. They despise this country. Now, the neocons have dragged it out. IMPORTANT TO KNOW: neocons have communist roots. I'll bet a lot of people don't know that. They have everything in common with the socialist left, even though they appear to be at odds. It is the same animal.

Get educated: http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html

Aaron Zelman, of Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, has already debunked attacks from the ADL neocons, on behalf of Ron Paul.

This is an OLD story. Do not give it any more concern.

BTW, is it not interesting that Neil Cavuto, who is supposed to be a finacial reporter, didn't interview Ron Paul, the most astute person in Washington when it comes to economics, about finance? It's because he's a Fox News neoCON with anti constitution, globalist agenda.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I saw the interview and Neil Cavuto sounded like a FOOL harping on a single contribution out of over 100,000. If you think there is going to be backlash over this you're mistaken. Heck the fact that Ron Paul used a question about Huckabee's Christmas add to point out that America could be lulled into fascism through the flag and the cross didn't cause backlash should tell you that this $500 donation from a politically incorrect supporter won't. Ron Paul has the advantage that he is honest and has never in 10 terms of Congress compromised his integrity. If the media continues to try and use this against him he can merely point out where all of the other candidates money comes from, I'm sure they have scads of unsavory donors if anyone bothered to look.

I agree completely.

And why would the media suggest that Paul should be writing checks to white supremacists? That's stupid.

Paul's fighting an uphill battle with the media anyway. I think he scored big with his response on Cavuto, and there's no reason to change his position. He arrived there by sound logic.

 

[tomveil]

If the media continues to try and use this against him he can merely point out where all of the other candidates money comes from, I'm sure they have scads of unsavory donors if anyone bothered to look.

And Ron Paul won't even have to. Because we'll do it for them. Somebody mentioned this guy donated to Bush in 2000. Seems like a good enough place to start.

"Frankly, [idiot reporter], I'm getting tired of this ridiculous question. I used that $500 that was going to be used for evil, and I used it to spread the message of freedom and liberty. Why would I want him to have it? And secondly, why wasn't this a story in 2000 when he donated money to George Bush? We're not the thought police. We shouldn't be asked to screen out donors, because PEOPLE GIVING ME MONEY DOES NOT INFLUENCE MY POLITICS. Is that a problem with other campaigns?"

(As you can see, I like my Ron Paul in Kick Ass Against Stupidity mode)

 

[Hope]

Dumb Argument why would you want him to keep it? When he dosen't need hate money ?

What next? Should Ron Paul not accept donations from atheists because he is Christian? Should he not accept donations from Truthers just because he doesn't think 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the gov't? How about people who don't like Ayn Rand? Or the people who don't like chocolate chip cookies (Ron Paul's an avid fan, after all)?

 

[liberty_rp08]

What next? Should Ron Paul not accept donations from atheists because he is Christian? Should he not accept donations from Truthers just because he doesn't think 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the gov't? How about people who don't like Ayn Rand? Or the people who don't like chocolate chip cookies (Ron Paul's an avid fan, after all)?

Exactly! Ron Paul does not play along with the media's stupid politically correct 'guilt by association' game. He is a man of principle. That's what we love about him.

 

[Nash]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed already because it's a really long thread but to further the above posters point: If Ron Paul gives this donation back he's opening the door to give a LOT more donations back to anyone and everyone who has weird beliefs or bizarre associations.

If it was about the 500 bucks he would have done it already, but by returning the donation he will just add fuel to the fire and then they'll find another group of people who he needs to give back money to, and so on and so forth. It will tie up the whole campaign dealing with this crap instead of actually focusing on winning the election.

 

[Eponym_mi]

The people whining to return the money are looking at this backward. Ron Paul isn't supporting any white supremacy agenda by keeping the money and using it for his campaign. Ron Paul's campaign has nothing to do with a white supremacy agenda! If some white supremacist wants to contribute to Ron Paul, his contribution will do nothing to promote a white supremacy agenda, but instead promote an agenda for equality under the law.

Suppose Hillary Clinton gave Ron Paul $2300. Should he return it merely because Hillary's agenda opposes much of what he stands for?

Returning the money would be questionable even if the contributor was expecting favors in return. Obviously Ron Paul shouldn't grant any special favors, but is it necessary that he read the mind of every contributor and judge the motives behind the contribution?

Don Black is a plant. And Ron Paul isn't renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

 

[kushaze]

Ron Paul should just give me the $500 and then I will donate it back to Ron Paul in a different name.

 

[all J's in IL for RP]

The most disturbing thing I've seen in this thread was when a member with 2,000+ posts told a member with 20 posts to leave the board and go vote for Hillary.

No, let's not correct the newbie's misconception that posting to a grassroots forum is not the same as e-mailing the campaign. Let's not try to explain why returning the money might be a bad move (since the opposition would only find another disreputable donation) or why Paul's logic on this issue, showing his consistency on freedom and refusal to pander, is ultimately a winning tactic.

Let's call him a troll and a media plant and shoo him off the board.

Way to build the movement, jackass.

 

[HooterandGreenway.com]

Not sure if I can add to the thread but...

There's No way Ron Paul should give this money back.

Why when I look at this years Presidential Race... Why, is Ron Paul the only candidate that seems like he is actually running for the presidency.

The others are running for Pastor, or Oprahs Secretary, or Mayor...

The media treats it like a popularity contest. America's political landscape has turned into the worst of High School politics.

I turn on CNN today, during a busy day in which I had about 10 mins to watch television. First thing I find out about is... 16 year old Jamie-Lynn Pregnant Spears. Then I get to learn about Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson for a few minutes. Some talk about Huckabee's Cross and thats it.

And when they finally do actual news on the "news channels" and they have Ron Paul on, they... want catchy one word answers, and get his views on fuzzy christmas commercials...

"WHO CARES IF THEY WISH YOU MERRY CHRISTMAS... I'D RATHER ELECT A GUY WHO WANTS ME TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY "HAVE CHRISTMAS"

I am registered, and will be voting RON PAUL on Primary Day.

 

[eloquensanity]

And this is a PRIVATE Political Affiliated Establishment where his supporters (Me and so many others) are using that first amendment right to try to influence him to give the money back. This is why Ron Paul is rode off in the news and in so many other things. You guys don't understand that we will never win without the media and that sometimes things like this hurt people profoundly. How do you think some people that donated on the 16th (Including Myself) feel about sharing the same spotlight(MoneyWise) with a racist nut? How do you think new voters would feel?

The media would certainly find or manufacture some other thing even if RP did what you ask.
Everytime he did what he was told to do they would find something new. Its called manipulation.
It obviously works on you, and if you want someone to tell you how to think and behave you are probably in the wrong camp.

We endorse freedom here and not hate groups or any other groups for that matter.

I would prefer that the money be spent to fight for our freedoms than to be given back to be used for hate which you and the media seem hell bent on doing.

 

[IKR Keeps Repeating]

The media would certainly find or manufacture some other thing even if RP did what you ask.
Everytime he did what he was told to do they would find something new. Its called manipulation.
It obviously works on you, and if you want someone to tell you how to think and behave you are probably in the wrong camp.

We endorse freedom here and not hate groups or any other groups for that matter.

I would prefer that the money be spent to fight for our freedoms than to be given back to be used for hate which you and the media seem hell bent on doing.

We're all here to support Ron Paul. Don't be divisive.

 

[noztnac]

For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.

It would be hard for me to disagree with you more. The only massive outcry I hear is for freedom. In America you are free to be a racist. Personally I am not but that guy has every right to support any political candidate he chooses. I find your opinion far scarier than his.

 

[tttar]

I was afraid there'd be a big scandal about that when it first happened, but now also think it can be handled by just taking the opportunity to emphasize how RP is MUCH farther away from the fascist way of thinking than anyone else running.

(He just called Huckabee that, didn't he? )

With one exception - he believes everyone should have free speech, including fascists - which surely is one reason why what's-his-name donated to him.

He panders to nobody.