please EVERYONE read this before posting

[tangent4ronpaul]

You really think it is better for the media to talk to Trevor about money bombs and his blimp at every stop then to have the media discuss Dr. Paul's ideas with regular citizens at each stop? Do you really think so?

The media is going to know he owns the company and they will ask him about it. They WILL ask him if he is making money from the blimp and no matter how you look at it his replies will not sound too good to the public. I don't know, just seems like there would be a better way to use the blimp stops for the campaign.

http://oregoniansforronpaul.com/index.php/The-Ron-Paul-Sign-Page.html

Actual slogans supporters have used on signs and stuff:

Sell kidney, send $ to Ron Paul
We're inspired, not hired!
I made this sign myself in support of Ron Paul.
We do this for FREE!

-n

 

[hillertexas]

One question:
What if Rudy or Romney purchases 51% of the "advertising space" on the blimp? Under this new model, that seems well within their rights.

 

[steph3n]

One question:
What if Rudy or Romney purchases 51% of the "advertising space" on the blimp? Under this new model, that seems well within their rights.

The ad space is reserved for existing graphics right now

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

One question:
What if Rudy or Romney purchases 51% of the "advertising space" on the blimp? Under this new model, that seems well within their rights.

Yeah - what if the "front liners" even purchase 10-% of the blimp - what about 1% - say a majority of advertising space over the super bowl...

-n

 

[LibertyEagle]

everything is done for legal reasons. being a for-profit company selling advertising timeshares gets rid of all the limits and makes it easier for everyone. they will not make a profit.
your choices are blimp from this company set up for this sole purpose or no blimp because people cannot donate more than, $2700 (assuming they give the 2300 to the campaign.) here people can donate however much they want. if you get a nice christmas bonus, you could donate it. if you win the lottery, you could donate it. it is much easier and better, don't you agree?

Where did you get this information? It has always been my understanding of the FEC regs, that an individual could donate up to $5K to each and every PAC they choose to support. That is in addition to the $2300 they donated to the campaign.

 

[LibertyEagle]

They aren't helping, they are being a god damned nuisance. And when that blimp is inthe sky, with gaggles of people asking their news stations about it, you fucking assholes that tried to discredit how it got up there are going to have some real apologizing to do to those of us that had to tirelessly rebute your fucking bullshit.

Do you eat with the same mouth that you are talking out of?

 

[Cyclone]

[QUOTE
if you feel its a scam then stop posting, and go support ron paul in your own way without alienating this effort.

D[/QUOTE]


Well, some of us here like to try to protect others from scam artists. That is why we discuss issues and try to make sure no one gets hurt. However, anytime someone tells me not to bring up anything negative, I get suspicious. Honest people rarely stifle open debate. There has been an awful lot of mud slinging these days against anyone who dares to object to any project. It is very sad.

 

[Cyclone]

Yeah - what if the "front liners" even purchase 10-% of the blimp - what about 1% - say a majority of advertising space over the super bowl...

-n

You don't have to worry about that, under the terms of service you cannot request or demand any specific time for your ad to run, and you can't even expect it to run at all, it will be up to their discretion. If they don't have room, they can replace your ad with something else they consider similar. http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/terms.php


This is the strangest business model I have ever seen.

Here is a quote from their site:


"We may schedule your timeshare at our convenience."

"If timeshares are oversold, we may substitute other advertising of equivalent value that expresses a similar message to the advertising you have bought."

Also: "Your purchase is not refundable."

I cannot imagine who would purchase any time on that blimp under these conditions, I can only assume, they have not read them.

 

[hillertexas]

This is the guy who is supposed to be leasing us the blimp

President - George A.R. Spyrou
Airship Management Services Inc
Headquarters Address:
Two Soundview Drive
Greenwich, CT 06830
USA
Website: www.airshipman.com
Phone: (203) 625-0071
Fax: (203) 625-0065

 

[hillertexas]

http://www.airshipman.com/services.htm
Airship Management Services Inc. (AMS) is a full-service airship company whose staff have over 25 years of worldwide experience in airship operations. We provide, for lease or sale, a state-of-the-art, fully certified Skyship 600 airship, with customized exterior and interior decoration, graphics and design.

AMS will operate and maintain the airship, and provide all fully licensed ground and flight personnel (wearing "branded" uniforms), complete technical support and all tour-related vehicles branded with your logos.

Further, AMS partners with you in strategy development for maximizing impact and visibility via utilization of the Airship for:

General Exposure over targeted cities/regions
TV Broadcast Platform
Media Flights for Trade, Consumers, Magazine, Press
Corporate and Retail Incentive Promotions
Sales and Consumer Promotions
VIP Passenger Flights
Competitions, Merchandising, and Incentive Schemes
Tie-in with concerts and sporting events for which you sponsor

AMS works with you to develop an airship program that is both comprehensive and tailored specifically to meet your promotional needs and objectives.


Does anyone else remember when the blimp was all-inclusive??

 

[Cyclone]

Yup.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

You don't have to worry about that, under the terms of service you cannot request or demand any specific time for your ad to run, and you can't even expect it to run at all, it will be up to their discretion. If they don't have room, they can replace your ad with something else they consider similar. http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/terms.php


This is the strangest business model I have ever seen.

Here is a quote from their site:


"We may schedule your timeshare at our convenience."

"If timeshares are oversold, we may substitute other advertising of equivalent value that expresses a similar message to the advertising you have bought."

Also: "Your purchase is not refundable."

I cannot imagine who would purchase any time on that blimp under these conditions, I can only assume, they have not read them.

OMG!!! - the contract from HELL! - Maybe the Nigerians would like to sub-contract it!????

LOOK! - eithor return this to a non-profit, grassroots thing or it is not going to get in the air! - and this "sudden switch" has threatened even that! - that gives everyone lots of time, and produces results NOW! - That means more donations. Do NOT jump on your d*ck with golf cleats guys.... You were doing so good for a while...

-n

 

[constitutional]

"They are listening to our suggestions, not everything can be instant."

lie

 

[Matt]

Where did you get this information? It has always been my understanding of the FEC regs, that an individual could donate up to $5K to each and every PAC they choose to support. That is in addition to the $2300 they donated to the campaign.

No, that is for PACs that do not advocate a single candidate. For example, we could put "Huckabee sucks!" on the blimp and a PAC would work but putting "Ron Paul for President" would cause the limit to be $2300 and count toward your total. This LLC idea is ingenious and is the only way we can fly a blimp. People need to chill out and let things come together. Check your PM's

 

[leipo]

The OP suggested that the salary should be 50K a month. Come on people, this is a scam.

 

[NerveShocker]

everything is done for legal reasons. being a for-profit company selling advertising timeshares gets rid of all the limits and makes it easier for everyone. they will not make a profit.
your choices are blimp from this company set up for this sole purpose or no blimp because people cannot donate more than, $2700 (assuming they give the 2300 to the campaign.) here people can donate however much they want. if you get a nice christmas bonus, you could donate it. if you win the lottery, you could donate it. it is much easier and better, don't you agree?

there needs to be payment for legal counsels and others involved.

trevor and elijah are not looking to make millions.
they are looking for some compensation so they can work full time on the blimp, while not going into bankruptcy
They deserve it, and work tirelessly on this. They are listening to our suggestions, not everything can be instant. Cut them some slack. Let them work more instead of barraging them with complaints, this would all get off the ground and in the air faster.

this is not a scam. look at the legal team. Bradley Smith and Jim Fosbinder should make you feel secure here. The blimp cannot be brought down with them on board.

nothing is without risks, and this has good intentions.

the graphics cannot be changed to endorse ron paul for president and would delay us and miss the teaparty

none of this can be related to the official campaign at all. this has to be individual.

if you feel its a scam then stop posting, and go support ron paul in your own way without alienating this effort.

and most importantly:
we need to rally together under Dr. Paul and the message of liberty, and not start bashing eachother. we are above that. come on. we can raise this money in a day then we wouldn't have to worry about what happens if we don't raise enough.

I totally 100% agree. I am sick and tired of people like Mark and Lacross spamming multiple threads saying this is a scam. We need to understand that others will come to this website and pretend to be Ron Paul supporters. This blimp is totally legit and will likely make Ron Paul the story of the month(this on top of our Moneybomb). Everyone please fulfill your pledges or donate anyway if you haven't pledged. This blimp must get airborne!

Remember first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win . www.RonPaulBlimp.com

 

[NewEnd]

The OP suggested that the salary should be 50K a month. Come on people, this is a scam.

You have a lawyer? You just called two honest people scam artists.

What do you have to say for yourself?

 

[NewEnd]

[QUOTE
Well, some of us here like to try to protect others from scam artists. That is why we discuss issues and try to make sure no one gets hurt. However, anytime someone tells me not to bring up anything negative, I get suspicious. Honest people rarely stifle open debate. There has been an awful lot of mud slinging these days against anyone who dares to object to any project. It is very sad.

Trevor and Elijah are scam artists, huh?

This is all for your concerne for people who want to buy airtime space?

I am keeping a list of every single one of you who are besmirching two very good people's names. This is not tolerable, and unless you have evidence its a scam, you had best keep your mouth shut.

 

[leipo]

You have a lawyer? You just called two honest people scam artists.

What do you have to say for yourself?

I'm talking about the legal team. Do you really think trevor & elijah are competent enough to pull this scam?

 

[NewEnd]

I'm talking about the legal team. Do you really think trevor & elijah are competent enough to pull this scam?

Again, you call them scam artists.