Please don't discourage people who come up with alternative sites...

[kimochinews]

Jordan, it's not too late.

I think your december 16th site can still help, and I think that if you introduce important innovations in the backend technology then they are likely to spread to other sites.

I agree that we should coordinate as far as the date goes -- anything other than the date, such as web design, benefits from individual innovation on alternative sites.

Remember that the people gathered here represent the "elites" of the grassroots campaign. Don't let them make you think your website would be unpopular or unwelcome.

Thanks for the reply, Jordan!

 

[JordanL]

I never felt that I was helping the campaign by redirecting my site. I felt like I was helping certain people get enough piece of mind to focus on the things that are really important.

 

[RonPaulGetsIt]

This is not about being in the limelight. I for one don't care who runs the sites. I have one goal which is to get Dr. Paul as much money as possible to advertise and send out mailings and get people to understand that he truly is our last hope for America.

Yes inflation tax is a big issue - so is the war (anyone see those burned and maimed soldiers hanging out with Bush) - erosion of our civil liberties is my #1 issue because I can save in gold and silver to protect against inflation, but I can't do much to protect my liberty now when there executive orders on the books where anyone, citizen or not, can be called an enemy combatant and arrested and tortured without a judge even knowing you are gone.

So my point is this - as long as the drives are all on December 16th who cares where the donors are from? the teaparty will be the biggest in any event, but if people want to take it upon themselves and start an "Dump the War" site or a "Dump the police state" website there is no harm in this. People can promote the site they like the best.

Seriously it just keeps the email addresses and send out a daily update - why are some peope so passionate about only having traffic directed to this one teaparty site?

 

[kimochinews]

I never felt that I was helping the campaign by redirecting my site. I felt like I was helping certain people get enough piece of mind to focus on the things that are really important.

It's up to you. I personally think it's awesome that you are focusing on Congressional elections on your other site. That would be quite the coup if we replaced this congress with a freedom-minded one!

Personally, I think holding out on your Dec. 16th site could encourage more to do the same.

Good luck,
Kimochi

 

[JordanL]

This is not about being in the limelight. I for one don't care who runs the sites. I have one goal which is to get Dr. Paul as much money as possible to advertise and send out mailings and get people to understand that he truly is our last hope for America.

Yes inflation tax is a big issue - so is the war (anyone see those burned and maimed soldiers hanging out with Bush) - erosion of our civil liberties is my #1 issue because I can save in gold and silver to protect against inflation, but I can't do much to protect my liberty now when there executive orders on the books where anyone, citizen or not, can be called an enemy combatant and arrested and tortured without a judge even knowing you are gone.

So my point is this - as long as the drives are all on December 16th who cares where the donors are from? the teaparty will be the biggest in any event, but if people want to take it upon themselves and start an "Dump the War" site or a "Dump the police state" website there is no harm in this. People can promote the site they like the best.

Seriously it just keeps the email addresses and send out a daily update - why are some peope so passionate about only having traffic directed to this one teaparty site?

Because many people are immensely afraid that unless Trevor Lyman is the one running it the entire event will suddenly collapse.

EDIT: I know this whole exchange must make it sound like I have something against Trevor, but I actually think he's a pretty stand up guy. I shake my head at some of the others here who are pationately frantic, but not Trevor.

 

[CCTelander]

why are some peope so passionate about only having traffic directed to this one teaparty site?

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

 

[JordanL]

It's up to you. I personally think it's awesome that you are focusing on Congressional elections on your other site. That would be quite the coup if we replaced this congress with a freedom-minded one!

Personally, I think holding out on your Dec. 16th site could encourage more to do the same.

Good luck,
Kimochi

Well, I have no real problems with redirecting my domain at this point. Really, its only about a month or so until the actual date, so it's not a huge deal.

 

[Indy Vidual]

It's your choice.

Well, I have no real problems with redirecting my domain at this point. Really, its only about a month or so until the actual date, so it's not a huge deal.

It's your choice.
IMO, some great points were made here about "Dump The War", "Dump Big Brother", and the fact we operate best when decentralized.

"Lead, follow, or go your own way."
Most people will stick with the current, primary site, but...
...why cut off the chance of others, who also have a vision of a great way to help, and / or advanced tech-skills?

 

[literatim]

Having a slew of alternative websites leaves it open for scam artists or antis to put up their own.

 

[rebelforacause]

Read the Hope for America slim jim

pointing the Ron paul's main page works best. Their are so many issues that those who aren't familiar with him would identify with.

READ the Hope for America slim jim and you will see 5-6 of them

http://www.ronpaul2008store.com/servlet/Categories?category=Slim+Jims

 

[JordanL]

Trevor, I hate to do this here, but you don't respond to PMs.

You need to stop acting so self-important. It's causing these kinds of threads and distracting from the message which is the most important thing. You had your 15 minutes of fame on CNN and such, that's great, and I applaud your excellent efforts and implementation. But only because of the message behind it, and we all need to remember that, you included.

The Constitution, our country, the things that really matter -- they are bigger than who runs the "official" sign up site or how many other sites redirect to it. Redirecting my domain does not phase me in the slightest, but the way people here are acting about it is really starting to be counter productive.

It's the message guys, not the guys with the message.

Kimo is a bit persistent in his/her opinion. But that's a good thing, or did you forget what exactly it is that Ron Paul, that this movement, stands for?

So you think it's counter productive and that they should step in line? Well too bad. That goes for all of you. The only reason I haven't given up on this campaign is because there are still people who don't step in line, and don't anyone here forget that.

Freedom and liberty are exactly that, and if people here can't handle the fact that the idea is bigger than they are, then they need to reexamine what exactly it is that they are doing.

We are here to be constructive and create a feedback loop of support. As long as people are telling others to shut up and follow orders, we will never be able to do that.

I redirected my site because I wanted to Trevor, not because you asked. Remember that.

 

[NewEnd]

Bad thread

Phishers are real

 

[Bacon]

Why do yall want alternate sites???????
How many alternate sites did we have for thisnovember5th.com?? We had 0!
"Don't fix what's not broken."
All of these alternate sites look horrible, no offense but they really do. If you can't come up with anything better than what Trevor and Nate have done, then please, for all of our sakes, STOP COMPLAINING that you're site wasn't chosen for teaparty07.com. Geez! This is so sad..

 

[JordanL]

Why do yall want alternate sites???????
How many alternate sites did we have for thisnovember5th.com?? We had 0!
"Don't fix what's not broken."
All of these alternate sites look horrible, no offense but they really do. If you can't come up with anything better than what Trevor and Nate have done, then please, for all of our sakes, STOP COMPLAINING that you're site wasn't chosen for teaparty07.com. Geez! This is so sad..

Well first, if you read what I posted it had nothing to do with any site being chosen, it had to do with how people as a whole were conducting themselves.

Second, it also has nothing to do with making a "better" site. For instance, there were several sites that tracked not only subscribers, but allowed peopel to pledge different amounts and tracked the total pledged amount from all subscribers, along with average pledge and such. A "better" site has nothing to do with anything at all, and I don't believe that anyone ever said it did.

 

[ItsTime]

why not more than one site? As long as they have the same date? One size does not fit all just like this campaign. We are a mix of people why cant there be a mix of sites? Saying there should only be one site is like saying there should only be one YouTube explaining Ron Pauls supporters views.

With that said I agree that the forum has a link pointing to the "un-official official tea party site".

 

[Bacon]

ItsTime, if you have worked in the web development field, you would understand that more than one site is harmful. Why is there not multiple google.com, yahoo.com, espn.com, ronpaul2008.com?? YouTube videos are obviously COMPLETELY different than websites..

 

[JordanL]

ItsTime, if you have worked in the web development field, you would understand that more than one site is harmful. Why is there not multiple google.com, yahoo.com, espn.com, ronpaul2008.com?? YouTube videos are obviously COMPLETELY different than websites..

???

I do work in website development. Multiple sites drive traffic down but they drive mind-share up, and anyone who makes websites for a living will attest to that.

But actual, real, every day people talking on the street are far more valuable than any amount of websites, and that's what we really need to keep in mind.

 

[Bacon]

???

I do work in website development. Multiple sites drive traffic down but they drive mind-share up, and anyone who makes websites for a living will attest to that.

But actual, real, every day people talking on the street are far more valuable than any amount of websites, and that's what we really need to keep in mind.

I make websites for a living and no I don't make multiple sites for clients. When a client comes to me for a site, I make him ONE site. You still didn't answer why there isn't multiple yahoo.com, ronpaul2008.com, dailypaul.com ...

 

[ItsTime]

We are not trying to drive traffic to teaparty07.com we are trying to drive traffic to ronpaul2008.com/donation that is where your logic is flawed.

I have many sites that drive traffic to one sponsor. That is what we are trying to do isnt it?

ItsTime, if you have worked in the web development field, you would understand that more than one site is harmful. Why is there not multiple google.com, yahoo.com, espn.com, ronpaul2008.com?? YouTube videos are obviously COMPLETELY different than websites..

 

[Bacon]

We are not trying to drive traffic to teaparty07.com we are trying to drive traffic to ronpaul2008.com/donation that is where your logic is flawed.

Obviously that's the end-goal.. but we're trying to drive traffic to teaparty07.com to get recognition about the event. When they go to teaparty07.com, they see when the event is and they know to go to ronpaul2008.com on the date to donate. Where on ronpaul2008.com do you see anything to donate on the 16th??