Please don't discourage people who come up with alternative sites...

[kimochinews]

Please don't discourage people who come up with alternative sites for our special weekend.

I realize that everyone wants to focus effort into one venue, and I really appreciate the work done for http://teaparty07.com/ and its supporting videos.

I think that having a diversity of sites all calling for donations and action on liberty weekend is a great thing. Different people want to promote different reasons for supporting Dr. Paul, and their appeals will stimulate different people. This is extremely good!

In fact, Dr. Paul's grassroots campaign is consistently praised for its decentralization and laissez-faire approach. The effort of other campaigns to "reign in" supporters to the official campaign website is often cited as a mistake on the part of those campaigns; however, I see many posts here attempting the same with respect to Tea Party '07.

Please stop asking new sites to redirect to http://teaparty07.com/ , please share your appreciation for the work of those who start new sites with their own ideas, and please remember that this campaign is not a collective dream but rather the hope of each of us to be independent and free.

Thanks!

P.S. Trevor and Nathaniel, I'm looking forward to you both backing me up on this one.

 

[kimochinews]

JordanL

Specifically, JordanL, if you're reading this, I'd like to see you continue with your http://ondecember16th.com website. Thank you for all of the hard work!

 

[hawkeyenick]

Please don't discourage people who come up with alternative sites for our special weekend.

I realize that everyone wants to focus effort into one venue, and I really appreciate the work done for http://teaparty07.com/ and its supporting videos.

I think that having a diversity of sites all calling for donations and action on liberty weekend is a great thing. Different people want to promote different reasons for supporting Dr. Paul, and their appeals will stimulate different people. This is extremely good!

In fact, Dr. Paul's grassroots campaign is consistently praised for its decentralization and laissez-faire approach. The effort of other campaigns to "reign in" supporters to the official campaign website is often cited as a mistake on the part of those campaigns; however, I see many posts here attempting the same with respect to Tea Party '07.

Please stop asking new sites to redirect to http://teaparty07.com/ , please share your appreciation for the work of those who start new sites with their own ideas, and please remember that this campaign is not a collective dream but rather the hope of each of us to be independent and free.

Thanks!

P.S. Trevor and Nathaniel, I'm looking forward to you both backing me up on this one.

Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree. The whole purpose of the tea party is to break the record, and get the media attention we need. Making up events between now and then is only a distraction.

New ideas can wait until after the tea party. The nature of the event is that it's an "all or nothing" deal. That won't work if we're divided.

 

[ronpaulyourmom]

He's not talking about alternative drives, he's talking about alternative websites pushing the December 16th date.

 

[hawkeyenick]

He's not talking about alternative drives, he's talking about alternative websites pushing the December 16th date.

Alternative sites mean more chances of sending out incorrect information and decentralizing the support.

It's bad all around. We have to be united if we want this to work.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...Please stop asking new sites to redirect to http://teaparty07.com/ , please share your appreciation for the work of those who start new sites with their own ideas, and please remember that this campaign is not a collective dream but rather the hope of each of us to be independent and free.

Bravo, I agree.

 

[hawkeyenick]

Bravo, I agree.

Sorry, we're not anarchists. You don't achieve freedom fighting alone.

This is not an individual dream, it's a collective dream to be individually independent and free. We need each other to achieve that goal. That's what T2 is all about. The original party wouldn't have had much impact if it were just one person doing the throwing.

 

[FluxCapacitor]

Indeed, we will certainly see other websites which explain the December 16 mass donation event in their own way.

It would be best if they all filter into TeaParty07.com. That way people can see how many people have pledged to participate. This encourages more people to join in. When we hit 50,000 pledges, it will be obvious that December 16th is going to be a spectacular success. People will be drawn to that. There are plenty of Ron Paul supporters who haven't gotten around to donating yet. The chance to take part in "history in the making" is very appealing.

That's why the main site TeaParty07.com should have a very general message. It needs to have widespread appeal. If it focuses too closely on taxes or inflation it will not be as successful. Other websites can be made which focus on certain issues and point to the main website which will track the number of participants and the groundswell of support.

I spent today making a video promoting TeaParty07.com. I was careful to make it short and sweet. It mentions the 36,672 people who made history when they donated to Ron Paul's campaign on November 5th. It was important to use the precise number. I was one of those people, and had I not participated, the number would have been 36,671 instead. It's important to refrain from rounding off these sorts of numbers. I don't want to hear that ThisNovember5th.com had "over 18,000" sign-ups at the start of November 5th. Presenting the exact number is a good way to honor and acknowledge each of those individual donars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMF2bM0M6Y

 

[RonPaulFever]

Making alternative sites to gratify your own ego is divisive and hurtful to our mission.

All sites related to Dec. 16th should be closed or redirected to teaparty07.com. Come on people, let's be adults about this.

 

[kimochinews]

The great thing about encouraging our friends as they come out with new sites is that they each will bring a special touch to the message, and that will attract supporters that aren't excited by the message as portrayed on the main site.

For example, there are many threads here requesting that Trevor take down the bit about the inflation tax on http://teaparty07.com . Well, I for one think that education about the inflation tax is extremely important, and I appreciate that Trevor has the guts to position that message front and center.

For those who disagree, why not make your own sites? For instance, a site that likens Tea Party '07 to dumping the plummeting dollar overboard? Or, a site that emphasizes the income tax? farm subsidies?

There are many different tacks on this. We benefit from choice and individual action, not from shaming those with exceptional talent who are taking the initiative to raise their own voices.

 

[RonPaulFever]

The great thing about encouraging our friends as they come out with new sites is that they each will bring a special touch to the message, and that will attract supporters that aren't excited by the message as portrayed on the main site.

For example, there are many threads here requesting that Trevor take down the bit about the inflation tax on http://teaparty07.com . Well, I for one think that education about the inflation tax is extremely important, and I appreciate that Trevor has the guts to position that message front and center.

For those who disagree, why not make your own sites? For instance, a site that likens Tea Party '07 to dumping the plummeting dollar overboard? Or, a site that emphasizes the income tax? farm subsidies?

There are many different tacks on this. We benefit from choice and individual action, not from shaming those with exceptional talent who are taking the initiative to raise their own voices.

Or, we could just stick to one website.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Dr. Ron Paul supports the rights of individuals

Let's remember: Dr. Ron Paul supports the rights of individuals

* Teaparty07.com is destined to become the biggest site.
* "This Nov. the 5th" had only ~50% of the people bother to join the mailing list, so it is not fully accurate anyway.
* Some people will enjoy adding their own energy, in ways 'the majority' might not agree with.

1) Please don't discourage people who come up with alternative sites
2) Dr. Ron Paul supports the rights of individuals
3) "Lead, follow, or go your own way"

Any questions?

 

[kimochinews]

Great summary, Indy.

I also refuse to put the numbers ahead of everything else. Like Indy said, thisnovember5th demonstrated that a lot more people will show up than the numbers indicate.

The good doctor would never confuse the symptoms with the root cause. Message first, numbers second. Individuals first, movement second.

I will encourage anyone who creatively expresses the message in their own way. We are impressive because we are so diverse, and we will win because they are all the same.

 

[literatim]

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean that you should.

 

[CCTelander]

Oh man! Those I've been affectionately calling "Borg Republicans" are going to have a field day with this thread!

 

[kimochinews]

Oh man! Those I've been affectionately calling "Borg Republicans" are going to have a field day with this thread!

Alright, CCTelander, no name calling!

 

[CCTelander]

Alright, CCTelander, no name calling!

By all means, call me Chris, or CC, whichever you prefer. And I did say "affectionately"!

 

[sroll2237]

Alternative sites mean more chances of sending out incorrect information and decentralizing the support.

It's bad all around. We have to be united if we want this to work.

that's right, because Ron Paul is all about things being centralized.

 

[sroll2237]

Or, we could just stick to one website.

ah, but you see this one main website is only focusing on one rather obscure issue. Now if I was someone who just had beef with the government about the war in Iraq and I chanced onto teaparty07.com, for what reason would I ever decide to sign up?

Now if there were other sites too that promoted different issues that are important to different kinds of people, such as the war, then above said person would sign up and give.

One thing we could do is share the sign up lists so that all the sites would have an accurate count of how many pledges there are.

This would be a much more ideal situation than the one now where we find people on this site here getting all mad because the teaparty site only mentions ONE issue that doesn't click with mainstream america.

To sum up: Build other sites that target other people!! and the date will be MUCH MUCH bigger and important.

 

[JordanL]

Hello all.

I believe that this thread was directed partially at me, being that I own http://ondecember16th.com and ran that site before it redirected.

Let me be the first to say that I completely agree that as long as we coordinate our ideas effectively, mutliple sites will HELP because they create broader exposure. Having worked in web development for years, I can tell you that this is ALWAYS the case as far as mind share goes.

That said, this is not an organized effort. We are grassroots without an official heaquarters or a single official leader directing us. This leaves us to mostly do what we wish, and in many ways I think that enables us to be better.

However, we are no different than any other group of people. Ron Paul fans are still just as prone to bandwagons and celebrities. Honestly, I could have said screw it and run my site in tandem to the TeaParty07 site. TeaParty07 is a stupid name in my opinion, and I actually wrote sophisticated tracking software for my list.

But the thing is that Trevor is the celebrity and I am not, and I would need to completely forgo the message itself and focus on my own celebrity in order to justify the site to people here, and to be honest, I want to focus on the message.

So no, multiple sites will not help, but its only because the people would waste innumerable amounts of energy complaining and fretting about it. Trevor created a site that is both widespread and good enough, which is all it really needs to be.

As for people acusing me of wanting the limelight or some BS like that... yeah, whatever. I missed my tuition payments in order to get the domains that I did so that I could get my website up within 12 hours which was almost three days before the "official" site was up. I will literally not make my tuition payments on time this term because I decided that this was more important.

So a big middle finger to all you who really think that I want any personal gain. This isn't highschool any more, please leave the drama at the door, because frankly, I'm busy trying to fix my country.

And on that note, if you have the time, visit the site I actually DO run, http://thepoliticker.net where we are trying to focus on the other half of the equation: Congress.

Thanks,
Jordan

PS: Trevor, I hope you take no offense at anything I said. I don't mean anything as a slight against you, but rather a slight against anyone who trys to demean someone for simply not having name recognition, which ironically is what we always complain about Ron Paul being demeaned for.

I suppose no group of people are immune to hypocrisy.