Please convince me of statism!

[timosman]

I don't see it that way at all. In fact I manage to live my life almost entirely free of tyranny. Granted it requires avoiding government and all it's agents studiously, which is where most tyranny emanates from. However in my dealings with those outside of government I don't find tyranny to be the natural state at all.

Which bridge do you live under?

 

[timosman]

That same logic can be applied to anything, thus rendering it meaningless.

Really?

 

[Origanalist]

Really?

Yes, really.

 

[timosman]

Yes, really.

I bow to your intellectual power.

 

[Origanalist]

Which bridge do you live under?

What rodent infested room do you sit in 24 hrs. a day in front of your computer screen? I live in a house and do actual work so my time in front of a computer is limited, unlike yourself.

 

[timosman]

What rodent infested room do you sit in 24 hrs. a day in front of your computer screen? I live in a house and do actual work so my time in front of a computer is limited, unlike yourself.

Nobody said life was supposed to be fair. Apologies if this bothers you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I don't see it that way at all. In fact I manage to live my life almost entirely free of tyranny. Granted it requires avoiding government and all it's agents studiously, which is where most tyranny emanates from. However in my dealings with those outside of government I don't find tyranny to be the natural state at all.

You are an exception most people don't have the opportunity to live as you do, not only all of the present world but all of history shows tyranny to be the norm.

 

[timosman]

You are an exception most people don't have the opportunity to live as you do, not only all of the present world but all of history shows tyranny to be the norm.

Communism seems like a path forward.

 

[Origanalist]

You are an exception most people don't have the opportunity to live as you do, not only all of the present world but all of history shows tyranny to be the norm.

Opportunities are created, most people simply haven't been taught they CAN live like me. And they never will as long as they're taught all their life that they can't. Remember that whole liberty message thing?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Opportunities are created, most people simply haven't been taught they CAN live like me. And they never will as long as they're taught all their life that they can't. Remember that whole liberty message thing?

Opportunities are created some but they are also determined by outside forces to a great degree, most people don't have the opportunity to create the opportunity to live like you and if more of those that could did the forces of tyranny would activate to crush enough of you to drive most of them back into the system.

 

[CaptUSA]

Opportunities are created some but they are also determined by outside forces to a great degree, most people don't have the opportunity to create the opportunity to live like you and if more of those that could did the forces of tyranny would activate to crush enough of you to drive most of them back into the system.

No - Everyone has those opportunities. All it takes is awareness. If an idiot like me can escape my humble beginnings, anyone can. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on the opportunities when presented. That's where most people fail.

The mentality that tells people they are a victim of their circumstances is exactly the mentality that feeds the State.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No - Everyone has those opportunities. All it takes is awareness. If an idiot like me can escape my humble beginnings, anyone can. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on the opportunities when presented. That's where most people fail.

The mentality that tells people they are a victim of their circumstances is exactly the mentality that feeds the State.

+rep Creating and reinforcing victim mentality is how statist lefties got poor blacks dependent on their welfare and thus a reliable voting bloc.

 

[CaptUSA]

+rep Creating and reinforcing victim mentality is how statist lefties got poor blacks dependent on their welfare and thus a reliable voting bloc.

Yep. "You're a victim of your circumstance - I'm going make those circumstances better for you!" And the State grows....



(ETA: By the way, that works on so-called "conservatives" as well.)

 

[Origanalist]

Opportunities are created some but they are also determined by outside forces to a great degree, most people don't have the opportunity to create the opportunity to live like you and if more of those that could did the forces of tyranny would activate to crush enough of you to drive most of them back into the system.

You're a true inspiration to those seeking liberty.

 

[Origanalist]

No - Everyone has those opportunities. All it takes is awareness. If an idiot like me can escape my humble beginnings, anyone can. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on the opportunities when presented. That's where most people fail.

The mentality that tells people they are a victim of their circumstances is exactly the mentality that feeds the State.

Hear, hear!

 

[Origanalist]

Maybe I should check muh privilege.

 

[timosman]

No - Everyone has those opportunities. All it takes is awareness. If an idiot like me can escape my humble beginnings, anyone can. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on the opportunities when presented. That's where most people fail.

The mentality that tells people they are a victim of their circumstances is exactly the mentality that feeds the State.

How different it is, what you are flaunting, from communism?

Traffic congestion during commute could be solved in a very simple way if only everybody left to work two hours earlier.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No - Everyone has those opportunities. All it takes is awareness. If an idiot like me can escape my humble beginnings, anyone can. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on the opportunities when presented. That's where most people fail.

The mentality that tells people they are a victim of their circumstances is exactly the mentality that feeds the State.

+rep Creating and reinforcing victim mentality is how statist lefties got poor blacks dependent on their welfare and thus a reliable voting bloc.

Yep. "You're a victim of your circumstance - I'm going make those circumstances better for you!" And the State grows....



(ETA: By the way, that works on so-called "conservatives" as well.)

You're a true inspiration to those seeking liberty.

The state is the number one factor reducing opportunities for most people, the rest is just the chance you take in life.

What is clear is that pretending that tyranny is not imposed from the outside to a great degree is not going to help solve it, tyranny is the natural state of man because evil people exist and impose it on the rest of us, just "living free" will not end it.

 

[timosman]

The state is the number one factor reducing opportunities for most people, the rest is just the chance you take in life.

What is clear is that pretending that tyranny is not imposed from the outside to a great degree is not going to help solve it, tyranny is the natural state of man because evil people exist and impose it on the rest of us, just "living free" will not end it.

This is where communists and libertarians align. Both advocate for a state of nirvana where everybody is virtuous and doesn't cheat. While it would be very nice to live in such a world, it is extremely unstable. A single cheater or a group of them, can gain a tremendous advantage over everybody else still playing by the rules. Let's stop being infantile, nobody will leave you alone. They will either try to extract wealth from you or use you to extract wealth from others.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is where communists and libertarians align. Both advocate for a state of nirvana where everybody is virtuous and doesn't cheat. While it would be very nice to live in such a world, it is extremely unstable. A single cheater or a group of them, can gain a tremendous advantage over everybody else still playing by the rules. Let's stop being infantile, nobody will leave you alone. They will either try to extract wealth from you or use you to extract wealth from others.

It is a matter of intellectual laziness for both of them, it is easier to just reject the state entirely than to figure out the best way to structure and limit it, it also seems easier to "live free" with the monstrous state theoretically banished from existence than to maintain the eternal vigilance that is required to keep minarchy from degenerating into tyranny.