Please convince me of statism!

[Travlyr]

Mama's skirt, Travlyr? That's you and the state. You're the one who's afraid to be a big boy and deal with the rest of us like an adult. You gotta have your mommy look out for you, because you're too afraid that someone like me is going to come and push you off your big wheel and take it from you. You're a coward. You're the one hiding behind your mama's skirt.

My mother has already passed on, Son. You need to put the big boy pants on and help the rest of us understand what you meant when you said, "I recognize moral and logical consistency." Because I am quite confident that I am not the only one reading the forums who doesn't understand what six words poorly formed into a sentence means.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't need anymore reading assignments from you guys. Answer me this: "What is micro-secession?"

If you've actually read Mises, you would know. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. Time to hit the books instead of being foolish on the internetz for you, Trav.

 

[Travlyr]

Mises was in favor of micro-secession and no friend of statism.

"The whole of mankinds progress has had to be achieved against the resistance and opposition of the state and its power of coercion." Liberalism, pg 58
"How fine the world would be if the State were free to cure all ills! It is one step only from such a mentality to the perfect totalitarianism of Stalin and Hitler." Beaurocracy, pg 7576
"Louis XIV was very frank and sincere when he said: I am the State. The modern etatist is modest. He says: I am the servant of the State; but, he implies, the State is God."
Bureaucracy, Beaurocracy, pg 7576
The state is a human institution, not a superhuman being. He who says state means coercion and compulsion. He who says: There should be a law concerning this matter, means: The armed men of the government should force people to do what they do not want to do, or not to do what they like. He who says: This law should be better enforced, means: the police should force people to obey this law. He who says: The state is God, deifies arms and prisons. Omnipotent Government, pg. 47

etc, etc, etc. Much more here.

HB34, you do not get a free pass tonight. Either explain what you mean by micro-secession, or quit using it as a curtain to hide behind.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

My mother has already passed on, Son. You need to put the big boy pants on and help the rest of us understand what you meant when you said, "I recognize moral and logical consistency." Because I am quite confident that I am not the only one who doesn't understand what six words poorly formed into a sentence means.

Those words mean that you are a coward. You're not a man. You rely on imaginary creatures to protect you. Superman is coming to save you, Travlyr, you coward. Just sit there and wait, and everything will be okay. No need to take care of your own life. No need to deal with other human beings. You just sit there and wait for Superman to come and change your diapers, okay?

:lol:

 

[Travlyr]

If you've actually read Mises, you would know. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. Time to hit the books instead of being foolish on the internetz for you, Trav.

I've read a lot of Mises. I have no clue what you are talking about. Quote him.

 

[Travlyr]

Those words mean that you are a coward. You're not a man. You rely on imaginary creatures to protect you. Superman is coming to save you, Travlyr, you coward. Just sit there and wait, and everything will be okay. No need to take care of your own life. No need to deal with other human beings. You just sit there and wait for Superman to come and change your diapers, okay?

:lol:

I must say... for certain... you are a true anarchist. Bravo!

 

[Travlyr]

If you've actually read Mises, you would know. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. Time to hit the books instead of being foolish on the internetz for you, Trav.

You must have missed this post too! Can you read it in 6 minutes or less, click on the links, and understand it as well? If not, then sonny boy has you beat.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Tampa-speech&p=4665662&viewfull=1#post4665662

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I must say... for certain... you are a true anarchist. Bravo!

Thanks! There's hope for you yet!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I've read a lot of Mises. I have no clue what you are talking about. Quote him.

"The right of self-determination in regard to the question of membership in a state thus means: whenever the inhabitants of a particular territory, whether it be a single village, a whole district, or a series of adjacent districts, make it known, by a freely conducted plebiscite, that they no longer wish to remain united to the state to which they belong at the time, but wish either to form an independent state or to attach themselves to some other state, their wishes are to be respected and complied with. This is the only feasible and effective way of preventing revolutions and civil and international wars." -Liberalism, "The Right Of Self-Determination". Now will you admit you haven't read Mises? I'm not doing your homework for you anymore.

 

[Travlyr]

Thanks! There's hope for you yet!

True anarchist for sure. You are a human who degrades others so that you feel good about yourself. You stomp your hands and feet on the floor when you don't get your way. You steal music and art from others because you can. You are a low life but claim moral superiority. You are a good representative of anarchy. Well done Son.

 

[Travlyr]

"The right of self-determination in regard to the question of membership in a state thus means: whenever the inhabitants of a particular territory, whether it be a single village, a whole district, or a series of adjacent districts, make it known, by a freely conducted plebiscite, that they no longer wish to remain united to the state to which they belong at the time, but wish either to form an independent state or to attach themselves to some other state, their wishes are to be respected and complied with. This is the only feasible and effective way of preventing revolutions and civil and international wars." -Liberalism, "The Right Of Self-Determination". Now will you admit you haven't read Mises? I'm not doing your homework for you anymore.

I admit I have not read everything Mises ever wrote, nor Locke, nor Paul, not even HB34. Yet, I have read plenty. For anyone to claim that they have read everything anyone else has ever written is asinine.

However, what part of this do you not understand?

wish to remain united to the state to which they belong at the time, but wish either to form an independent state or to attach themselves to some other state

And you take that to mean micro-secession eh? From state to state to state? Where are you going to go? What state will you choose?

Now I understand that Mises was not necessarily a Constitutionalist, but Ron Paul is. I agree with both of them.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

True anarchist for sure. You are a human who degrades others so that you feel good about yourself. You stomp your hands and feet on the floor when you don't get your way. You steal music and art from others because you can. You are a low life but claim moral superiority. You are a good representative of anarchy. Well done Son.

That's a fascinating description, Travlyr. It's a shame it's reflective only of your fevered, childish imagination rather than reality. You favor the state, albeit in some mystical limited fashion. The state is your Mommy, or your Big Brother, if you will. You're afraid of me... not the real me, the 'me' you've conjured in your childish imagination. You had a bad dream about me in the middle of the night, and like a child, you ran to Mommy. Yet I have taken NOTHING from you. I haven't even threatened to take anything from you. And even on the off chance that what you fear of me is real, you'd prefer to run to your mommy, rather than deal with me as a man.

As I said, Travlyr, you are no man. You are a coward.

 

[Travlyr]

That's a fascinating description, Travlyr. It's a shame it's reflective only of your fevered, childish imagination rather than reality. You favor the state, albeit in some mystical limited fashion. The state is your Mommy, or your Big Brother, if you will. You're afraid of me... not the real me, the 'me' you've conjured in your childish imagination. You had a bad dream about me in the middle of the night, and like a child, you ran to Mommy. Yet I have taken NOTHING from you. I haven't even threatened to take anything from you. And even on the off chance that what you fear of me is real, you'd prefer to run to your mommy, rather than deal with me as a man.

As I said, Travlyr, you are no man. You are a coward.

You think I am a coward eh? Will you say that to my face? Or do you just want to be a big boy on the Internet? I'll meet you anytime anywhere.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

You think I am a coward eh? Will you say that to my face? Or do you just want to be a big boy on the Internet? I'll meet you anytime anywhere.

Yes I would say that to your face because you are a coward.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

However, what part of this do you not understand?

There's no context in which to understand this disembodied bit of text.

And you take that to mean micro-secession eh? From state to state to state? Where are you going to go? What state will you choose?

I would choose individual level secession. All other interactions I choose from there would be voluntary.

Now I understand that Mises was not necessarily a Constitutionalist, but Ron Paul is. I agree with both of them.

You can't agree with Mises and be a true Constitutionalist. These are mutually exclusive systems of thought.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Relax trav you've been banned before for physical threats

 

[Travlyr]

Relax trav you've been banned before for physical threats

I did not threaten him. I just stood up for myself like we should all be doing.

 

[Travlyr]

There's no context in which to understand this disembodied bit of text.


I would choose individual level secession. All other interactions I choose from there would be voluntary.


You can't agree with Mises and be a true Constitutionalist. These are mutually exclusive systems of thought.

Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist.

 

[Travlyr]

Yes I would say that to your face because you are a coward.

You think so. Where would you like to meet?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

You think so. Where would you like to meet?

3 o'clock, after school. In the parking lot. Make sure your mommy is there to chase me around with her purse.