Please bring down Santorum before he brings down Paul

[Defining Obscene]

Rick Santorum has no hope of winning this race, he has no hope of picking up libertarians or independents, he is a suicide bomber for the GOP, and it has been his goal since day one to take out Ron Paul. While this campaign has issued greater focus on the empty suits like Romney and Perry, the initial threat to Ron Paul has been shown over and over again to be Santorum. At every turn, Santorum is there to take a whack at Ron Paul. The sooner this jester for the military industrial complex is out of the race, the sooner the real philosophies that Ron Paul believes in can be brought to the forefront. Ron Paul has been bogged down in arguing technicalities and backed-up evidence around the motivation of terrorism while Rick Santorum has gotten away whilst providing no such evidence, but he isn't trying to, his goal is to poison Paul's well and make him look out of touch, to go along with the media-produced narrative.

Everyone is going to take a whack at Perry and Romney, this is pointless. If Ron Paul amps up the assault on a guy like Santorum, it will get him a lot of attention. Ron Paul needs to redirect his campaign's offense to smite Santorum out of the race permanently. Be "The Kingmaker". It will keep Paul in the race, and give him credibility with taking down other candidates. Proves his aggressiveness, sadly the GOP takes courtesy for weakness. If Santorum's supporters won't vote for Paul, its no big loss, but it will be a big loss if we continue down this path of brow-beating and letting Paul look weak against a candidate who has even less of a chance at winning. Lay this small fry on the grill once and for all, and allow Ron Paul finally make the point on one of these national "debates" that he receives more support from the military than all of the candidates running, much less Santorum. In fact, Ron Paul should ask Santorum how much money he has raised from active military. You shut him up. You showcase Ron Paul's strength, money raising capacity, uncompromising principle, and influence with the people who put their lives on the line, all in one fatal blow. Send him packing. Then you can focus on Perry or Romney, if they haven't totally eaten eachother alive by then. To put things in perspective, keep in mind, even Sarah Palin (who sadly has a substantial deal of influence) is making vicious and well-justified attacks at Rick Perry. HE WILL NEVER WIN WITHOUT A SARAH PALIN ENDORSEMENT!!! And hallelujah to that. She supported Rand Paul for senate, if there is enough momentum for Paul, he could get her on board. I truly believe this. It is still early in the race, the Dems will never vote for these two empty suits, but if you take Santorum out NOW, you throw red-meat to the independents, the tea party, and the anti-war left... Believe me, many people hate Santorum with a passion, it will be like instant-sainthood.


If anyone can illustrate a drawback to redirecting the attack efforts to bringing down Santorum, I would be interested in hearing it. Simply getting out the message of liberty wasn't enough to win the last election, and even though its gaining popularity, I still don't think it is enough. Be decisive on this one.

 

[KEEF]

I like Santorum simply because he does a great job of looking like an ass and giving RP more time in debates to showcase his position and the common sense behind them.

 

[Kotin]

dude santorum has not hurt us.

 

[pacelli]

LMFAO... santorum??? for real???

 

[robertwerden]

Santorum is debate gold, he brings the crazy away from everyone else

 

[Sola_Fide]

Santorum is a joke even to the GOP

 

[donnay]

I think Santorum is pretty creepy. Does anyone remember this?

From Wiki:

Santorum and his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, have seven children: Elizabeth Anne (born 1991); Richard John ("Johnny"), Jr. (born 1993); Daniel James (born 1995); Sarah Maria (born 1998); Peter Kenneth (born 1999); Patrick Francis (born 2001); and Isabella "Bella" Maria (born 2008). Bella was subsequently diagnosed with Trisomy 18, a serious genetic disorder which is fatal before birth in 90 per cent of cases.[12] In 1996, their son Gabriel Michael was born prematurely and lived for only two hours (a sonogram taken before Gabriel was born revealed that his posterior urethral valve was closed and that the prognosis for his survival was therefore poor). While pregnant, Karen Santorum developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant and allowed doctors to give her Oxytocin to speed the birth.[13]

Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[14] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital.

 

[CableNewsJunkie]

Growing support for Santorum = Dilution of the establishment vote

 

[pacelli]

I think Santorum is pretty creepy. Does anyone remember this?
In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital.

Yeah, Donnay I've never heard that one before. But that is seriously, incredibly, ridiculously, ludicrously insane.

I mean, we're past the point of 'inconceivable'.

Holy shit.

 

[Paul4Prez]

Santorum has as much chance of bringing down Ron Paul as a mosquito has of slowing down a semi on the freeway.

 

[Tod]

Next time Santorum attacks Dr. Paul, maybe Dr. Paul could say something along this short and sweet line:

I have received XX% of military donations to GOP candidates and YY% of military donations to everyone including their commander-in-chief. Since you haven't even served in the military, maybe if you ask them nicely, some of my military supporters could help you understand why your chickenhawk views are wrong.



I have a feeling that Dr. Paul is too nice a guy to do that to him, though....

 

[gerryb]

do you guys think before you type?

What's with the personal attacks?

 

[Esoteric]

lol @ being worried about sen. froth

 

[ZanZibar]

His nonsense gives Ron a great reason to further expound upon his views. He's like Rudy of '08 except not nearly as good.

 

[Defining Obscene]

I think you all are missing the point. What I'm saying is that Santorum is an easy target, and as long as he is allowed to look tough in front of Ron Paul, its going to hurt him. If you completely discredit him, you deal a blow to the other warmongers on the stage by proxy. The topic of war will not come up between Ron Paul and Rick Perry at this rate with these farce debates, the best we can do is blow Santorum out of the water. None of the others will change their position on the war except maybe Romney if he can conjure up enough snake in him to flip flop on that too. So yes, I think Paul needs to drop the hammer on Santorum, he's only insignificant because Romney and Perry are there, but his views are sadly mainstream in the GOP. I'm opting to use Santorum as the surrogate, as Ron Paul's whipping boy. You know every single one of them on that stage wants to continue the wars, none of them up there will even touch the idea of the real motivation behind 9/11 so why put up with Santorum's tomfoolery when he represents the views of everyone else up there? We're missing an opportunity by allowing these chips to fall where they are. I don't want people on this board to get caught in the echo chamber that Paul is doing marvelous simply because he is sticking to his principle, Santorum is hurting his image with his oversimplifications and platitudes while Paul has 30 seconds to answer an already unresponsive crowd who toes the GOP line. If Ron Paul can illustrate that support for the war is fringe, he will turn the tables even more. He can do it, he has the artillery, he's just not using it and allowing himself to get bogged down in unpopular questions.

 

[Foolness]

That's the problem though. Santorum doesn't represent the views of everyone else up there. At least that's not how the media is trying to show him as.

The media clearly wants Perry vs. Paul and Santorum vs. Paul. They don't want to hurt Romney's chances while they try to wave Bachmann's name early on.

I thought barring Paul's comment about Obama, Paul was doing a great job of limiting Santorum to himself up there. This is more like Santorum getting one over Paul like when Paul got one over Giuliani. As far as debates go, Paul should be even more careful but I think going for Santorum would be a mistake. I think going after Perry is already a mistake (it makes liberal media lump him as another tax talker) but it sure beats paying attention to Santorum.

 

[dannno]

Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[14] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital.

Whooaa!!! Reading that whole thing was like watching one of those psychological thrillers that are completely normal until some insane twist at the end happens that brings it all together.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think Santorum is pretty creepy. Does anyone remember this?

From Wiki:

Santorum and his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, have seven children: Elizabeth Anne (born 1991); Richard John ("Johnny"), Jr. (born 1993); Daniel James (born 1995); Sarah Maria (born 1998); Peter Kenneth (born 1999); Patrick Francis (born 2001); and Isabella "Bella" Maria (born 2008). Bella was subsequently diagnosed with Trisomy 18, a serious genetic disorder which is fatal before birth in 90 per cent of cases.[12] In 1996, their son Gabriel Michael was born prematurely and lived for only two hours (a sonogram taken before Gabriel was born revealed that his posterior urethral valve was closed and that the prognosis for his survival was therefore poor). While pregnant, Karen Santorum developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant and allowed doctors to give her Oxytocin to speed the birth.[13]

Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[14] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital.

I don't find it just completely insane or whacky that they did this. It is out of the ordinary, sure, but what happened to them was an out of the ordinary and traumatic event. When you guys experience pregnancy in your (your spouses) lives, you won't think this story is so strange. When you are waiting for a baby to be born, your whole lives get centered around your new baby.

 

[dannno]

I don't find it just completely insane or whacky that they did this. It is out of the ordinary, sure, but what happened to them was an out of the ordinary and traumatic event. When you guys experience pregnancy in your (your spouses) lives, you won't think this story is so strange. When you are waiting for a baby to be born, your whole lives get centered around your new baby.

If it wasn't such a gruesome topic I'd totally start a poll.

 

[amyre]

And I wouldn't vote, because having never lost a child, I couldn't even begin to comprehend what that pain is like.
Santorum is an ass, but because of his political views/philosophy and his treatment of Ron Paul.....not because of the way in which he and his wife mourn the loss of their child. I really can't stand the guy, but I do think it's dangerous territory to issue that type of judgment unless you've been there yourself. Thank God I haven't.