Philly Rally - VALLEY FORGE

[TexMac]

I really wonder how they plan to fill 3 hours up now, but that is their business now, not ours. So I am not really upset that much about the move as much as I am disappointed.

I still hope those in Philly who were involved in this just keep your original plans in mind and save them for a day next summer if we make it that far. Think of it not as cancelled or moved but just postponed.

Where did this 3 hour thing come from? The campaign?

If so, it might be about what they did in Pittsburgh. There was one of those high-dollar fundraiser "briefing" things, then the rally that lasted about an hour, then RP signed stuff and shook hands and then everyone adjourned to a local restaurant and RP showed up there, spoke a little and met everyone. Same thing in Mountain View, except there they had a fundraiser before and after the rally. Those are the two rallies I've been to.

 

[Nefertiti]

Do you really want Dr. Paul as president? I know I do. I was hurt and upset. I cried going to bed last night but that does not mean I will withhold money.

Don't be too upset. As far as I am concerned, money wasn't the primary reason that this shouldn't have gone forward, the fact that the campaign wasn't putting together a good lineup besides Ron Paul for the rally demonstrates to me that they did not have the manpower to put this thing together as it should have been put together.

 

[Nefertiti]

Where did this 3 hour thing come from? The campaign?

If so, it might be about what they did in Pittsburgh. There was one of those high-dollar fundraiser "briefing" things, then the rally that lasted about an hour, then RP signed stuff and shook hands and then everyone adjourned to a local restaurant and RP showed up there, spoke a little and met everyone. Same thing in Mountain View, except there they had a fundraiser before and after the rally. Those are the two rallies I've been to.

It was supposed to be AT LEAST 3 hours, as planned by the grassroots. There were going to be lots of speakers, I think even some had committed, perhaps musical entertainment, a reading of the Declaration of Independence, etc.

 

[Ozwest]

tmg 19103, Is there a meeting tomorrow with HQ? You may not be able to comment... If things are as they stand currently, why not look at the current situation and parley it into a event that will "kick ass" on what the campaign would have done, even with the "Mall." Ive suggested large screen with a stage and bands outside or very close to the 2000 seat venue... People on this board have already offered their services in aid of this... Why should it be so difficult with all our resources, and passion to turn this around and make it even better? Start generating some input and creative thinking, and let's " Johnny Rotten" the Holy shit out of this!

 

[uncloned21]

Has anyone considered that it may be that there is a growing concern for Dr. Paul's safety?

 

[allyinoh]

Has anyone considered that it may be that there is a growing concern for Dr. Paul's safety?

I never thought about that but...


I'm a little put off by the actions of some people on here. Okay I know it takes a lot of planning but it isn't canceled. It was moved. Big deal. Seriously, some people are acting like it's the end of the world.

Wherever there were fliers sent out, get someone out to those places to spread the word that the venue has changed, have people at the mall with a shuttle to get them to the new venue and back or to give directions for the people who would drive themselves.

People you have got to learn that "when life gives you lemons you make lemonade."

I just think it's so petty to sit around and bitch about a location change. The rally is still happening and people just need to make sure whatever they do that people are informed.

 

[Sematary]

I never thought about that but...


I'm a little put off by the actions of some people on here. Okay I know it takes a lot of planning but it isn't canceled. It was moved. Big deal. Seriously, some people are acting like it's the end of the world.

Wherever there were fliers sent out, get someone out to those places to spread the word that the venue has changed, have people at the mall with a shuttle to get them to the new venue and back or to give directions for the people who would drive themselves.

People you have got to learn that "when life gives you lemons you make lemonade."

I just think it's so petty to sit around and bitch about a location change. The rally is still happening and people just need to make sure whatever they do that people are informed.

You think it's that easy, huh?
tens of thousands of fliers were distributed all over Philadelphia over a period of weeks. How, in a week, is this supposed to be undone? Should the people who shelled out hundreds of dollars of their own money to promote the event now shell out hundreds of dollars MORE to fix this?

 

[Ozwest]

Has anyone considered that it may be that there is a growing concern for Dr. Paul's safety?

For Gods sake! Are you guys all all older than me (49) or are you mommies boys! I'm sure Walt is going to pipe up any minute and tell everyone to go to New Hampshire! Where's the hudspah!

 

[KewlRonduderules]

Don't be too upset. As far as I am concerned, money wasn't the primary reason that this shouldn't have gone forward, the fact that the campaign wasn't putting together a good lineup besides Ron Paul for the rally demonstrates to me that they did not have the manpower to put this thing together as it should have been put together.

Today is a new day. I am fine. Whoever said I was still upset? What is done is done. Deal with it and move on.



As for the reasons for the cancellation, lack of manpower? Maybe, but something tells me some one or some entity/group threw a wrench in there to sabotage things. Call me a conspiracist but this does not add up.

regardless what I think, let's focus on Valley Forge.

 

[thehittgirl]

Have you ever thought of the possibility that there is something else to this? The money thing alone just does not make complete sense. There is something else going on here. The problem is that people are focusing solely on the money issue.

You have every right to be angry and to feel disappointed. No one can argue with that but to suggest to others to with hold money in protest?! That really does no one favors and it just makes things worse.

Do you really want Dr. Paul as president? I know I do. I was hurt and upset. I cried going to bed last night but that does not mean I will withhold money.

If you think the moving of the rally was a bad move, then suggesting not donating on the 5th is a REALLY bad move! You just create apathy, animosity, and conflict.

In fact, I was going to split my donation between the 5th and the 11th. I think I am going to give more on the 5th just because of what you said. I'll donate $750 and $250 on the 11th.

My boys and I call ourselves the passionate patriots. You sound like you belong in our club

I agree with you.....

As I was leaving a friend's house, I told her I STILL believe no one else is qualified to lead our country but Ron.

If I was still angry, I probably wouldn't have withdrawn my VOTE, but just support(continued physical work). This is just a setback is all. A test. If we are strong, we'll get back up on our feet.

 

[BizmanUSA]

OK who is willing to step up and be leader of the pack for this NEW outdoor rally in Valley Forge?

Can it be done? ABSOLUTELY - But it will be a nut buster to pull it off and some serious supporters willing to put their hard earned dollars where their mouths (or keyboard strokes) are and organize something F A S T!!

I have access to all the equipment one could possibly need but the Vendors for this equipment need to be booked pronto - which means a deposit of cash (credit cards, etc) dollars down.

As previously mentioned I have access to a large (9' x 16') LED Video screen truck package that is ideal for such a throw together situation BUT it takes $$$ to make it happen. I got a rate that is less than 1/2 of the going rate!

Who is the first (2nd and so on) person to step up? If you do not want to go public then PM me and we can talk.

BizmanUSA

tmg 19103, Is there a meeting tomorrow with HQ? You may not be able to comment... If things are as they stand currently, why not look at the current situation and parley it into a event that will "kick ass" on what the campaign would have done, even with the "Mall." Ive suggested large screen with a stage and bands outside or very close to the 2000 seat venue... People on this board have already offered their services in aid of this... Why should it be so difficult with all our resources, and passion to turn this around and make it even better? Start generating some input and creative thinking, and let's " Johnny Rotten" the Holy shit out of this!

 

[LibertyEagle]

tmg 19103, Is there a meeting tomorrow with HQ? You may not be able to comment... If things are as they stand currently, why not look at the current situation and parley it into a event that will "kick ass" on what the campaign would have done, even with the "Mall." Ive suggested large screen with a stage and bands outside or very close to the 2000 seat venue... People on this board have already offered their services in aid of this... Why should it be so difficult with all our resources, and passion to turn this around and make it even better? Start generating some input and creative thinking, and let's " Johnny Rotten" the Holy shit out of this!

What a wonderful idea, Oz.

 

[Ozwest]

You think it's that easy, huh?
tens of thousands of fliers were distributed all over Philadelphia over a period of weeks. How, in a week, is this supposed to be undone? Should the people who shelled out hundreds of dollars of their own money to promote the event now shell out hundreds of dollars MORE to fix this?

I would never be able to comprehend how pissed off and jaded you must feel right now Semetary. If you don't think this is worth a second chance, I yield the floor to your opinion. You're the Man.

 

[allyinoh]

You think it's that easy, huh?
tens of thousands of fliers were distributed all over Philadelphia over a period of weeks. How, in a week, is this supposed to be undone? Should the people who shelled out hundreds of dollars of their own money to promote the event now shell out hundreds of dollars MORE to fix this?

No, I don't think it's that easy. It will be tough, but it can be done. If I truly wanted something to happen, I wouldn't let a little road bump take me off course. You put a lot of time into this, I understand, but shit happens, things change.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, I don't think it's that easy. It will be tough, but it can be done. If I truly wanted something to happen, I wouldn't let a little road bump take me off course. You put a lot of time into this, I understand, but shit happens, things change.

Ally, the way you're saying this is belittling to those who poured their heart and soul into this event for MONTHS. It took a lot for it to get to the point it was before the campaign took it over. Yes, we all must do our best to regroup, but please do not act like it is a simple thing to do so. It's not. I venture to say that if YOU had been the one leading this effort, you would be referring to what has happened as much more than a "little road bump".

I frankly am amazed at those, like Sematary, who have so quickly adapted to make this new venue a success. I have said it before and I will say it again, he deserves a medal for all he's done and the attitude he's shown.

 

[BizmanUSA]

I would never be able to comprehend how pissed off and jaded you must feel right now Semetary. If you don't think this is worth a second chance, I yield the floor to your opinion. You're the Man.

Ditto - Sematary want to try it again in Valley Forge just to show HQ we can do it?

Anybody out there game for the idea?

So let's pound on whoever at HQ to supply charter buses to/from Inde Park to Valley Forge CC - it would take probably 20 buses min at 4-5 trips each to cover the crowd. HQ will still save THOUSANDS of dollars transporting the RP rally supporters than holding it at Inde Park Mall (min 40 per bus x 20 x 4 = 3200)
Now that would be cool!

BUT we must move ULTRA FAST!

BizmanUSA

 

[Sematary]

Ditto - Sematary want to try it again in Valley Forge just to show HQ we can do it?

Anybody out there game for the idea?

So let's pound on whoever at HQ to supply charter buses to/from Inde Park to Valley Forge CC - it would take probably 20 buses min at 4-5 trips each to cover the crowd. HQ will still save THOUSANDS of dollars transporting the RP rally supporters than holding it at Inde Park Mall (min 40 per bus x 20 x 4 = 3200)
Now that would be cool!

BUT we must move ULTRA FAST!

BizmanUSA

According to Libertyeagle, the campaign will be providing transportation to the event from the Mall site. We could definitely use confirmation of this with times of when the shuttles will begin running, how many, etc...

 

[Sematary]

I would never be able to comprehend how pissed off and jaded you must feel right now Semetary. If you don't think this is worth a second chance, I yield the floor to your opinion. You're the Man.

I absolutely am pushing to make this event a HUGE SUCCESS! I don't care that I believe the decision makers at HQ made a huge mistake on this decision - this campaign has ALWAYS been about the grassroots and we, the grassroots, have to make this an unmitigated success in spite of the HQ's inability to see the bigger picture!

 

[LibertyEagle]

According to Libertyeagle, the campaign will be providing transportation to the event from the Mall site. We could definitely use confirmation of this with times of when the shuttles will begin running, how many, etc...

I called them about this, this morning and asked why it wasn't put in the announcement. As I recall, the guy said they are finalizing those plans and when they're all nailed down, they will announce them.

It still is my understanding that there will be shuttle buses.

 

[Sematary]

I called them about this, this morning and asked why it wasn't put in the announcement. As I recall, the guy said they are finalizing those plans and when they're all nailed down, they will announce them.

It still is my understanding that there will be shuttle buses.

Can you push for more info? How many? Schedules? Actual departure points? Things like that?