Philly Rally - VALLEY FORGE
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What about everyone march in Philly, then catch shuttle buses to Valley Forge, they set up a large screen with live feed outside the venue for spillover, Ron greets outside supporters after the speech, everyone catches the shuttle buses back to Philly for more marching and Pubbing.
Even if it would have cost $140,000 this would have been worth it in free advertising. The crowd... would have been huge... I've just lost an enormous amount of motivation to even make it.
I was ... I was going to be there no matter what crappy load i had to take to get there. but now.. i just don"t feel the same.
if you kill the campaigners motivation, you've killed the campaign!
However, if I do make it, my hay ride is still offered.
I think we need to have an event at the mall somehow. We don't need the "campaigns" permission. And maybe dr. PAul could catch a taxi over to see the rest of the crowd.:o
is it me...or is this a real bummer?
TruckinMike
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edit--- I was busy complaining with the above statement while y'all were coming up with a great idea!!! YES>>> A big screen ..thats the ticket!!
I feel exactly the same way. I am thoroughly disappointed, especially since I was coming from Chicago.
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It is ... what it is.
Work around it.
Keep brainstorming ideas for how to make this a great time REGARDLESS.
We're the best at working around obstacles.
Best idea I heard so far was a Giant TV Screen at original location with live feed from the convention centre.
We know that the campaign plans to start official event at the same time as the grassroots organised rally was scheduled to run at.
This means no time to transport those who came to original location unaware of the late change.
Surely, given its just a bunch of people watching a TV without speeches, media or anything else it would not cost that much to arrange?
Although the media may seize on this and give it a spin. I can imagine the headlines but I will restrict this to my imagination for now.
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Maybe have 2 large screens then, one outside convention centre and one at original location near the independence hall.
Hey guys,
I work about 30 seconds from the Valley Forge Convention Center. The center itself is nice and has two Hotels, a radison and something else attached to it. The Park is down the street about a 1/4 mile going under Route 422 (the Highway coming from Philly). There is plenty of parking and things to do afterwards including the King Of Prussia Mall. As far as the location, the Convention center and entire parking lot is visible from the Route 422 so anyone in the parking lot holding signs will be easily visible and the roads there are rather busy during the weekend.
If you have any more specific questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
-Chad
I work about 30 seconds from the Valley Forge Convention Center. The center itself is nice and has two Hotels, a radison and something else attached to it. The Park is down the street about a 1/4 mile going under Route 422 (the Highway coming from Philly). There is plenty of parking and things to do afterwards including the King Of Prussia Mall. As far as the location, the Convention center and entire parking lot is visible from the Route 422 so anyone in the parking lot holding signs will be easily visible and the roads there are rather busy during the weekend.
If you have any more specific questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
-Chad
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As far as the quoted prices posted on the RP website ($80-$140K) someone at HQ has seriously padded what was quoted to them or the campaign has added costs that were not discussed. These extra costs in an earlier post are listed as a $4,000 difference (listed as between $5000-$9000 for previous rallies)
I know this for a fact as I was quoting the prices.
The information was NOT SLOW in coming to HQ staff but maybe HQ was a bit slow in absorbing what a HUGE outdoor rally production costs in a downtown/urban major city in the United States. This statement is NOT meant as an insult or a slap in the face but something that the powers to be must realize as we go on to win this for RP and us.
The prices quoted varied on what HQ wanted to provide for all the rally attendees.
I had advised I would keep trying to limit costs but I needed to know what was to be cut from the menu list of choices.
There were some quirky stipulations by the park management but nothing that couldn't be figured out.
Man, I would have love to have a 140K budget but it was NEVER EVER mentioned!
Yes there were union costs involved but last I knew they also vote. It is always good to include them in on events where they typically operate and Philly IS an organized labor town. Talk about how fast the bad word can travel it (the Bad Word) actually travels faster in union land than it does on this forum - I know that is hard to believe but I think it is true!
There is so much that I can rebut but it is truly not worth the effort for it was all about cost and not the "highly complex issues" as what was quoted by someone from HQ.
IMHO, this planned rally at Independence Park was a major opportunity to send Ron Paul and this campaign into the stratosphere helping RP land and take the office of POTUS.
Being frugal is a good thing but it seems this is a case of penny (although many) wise and pound-foolish. We all can only hope that HQ soon sees a bigger picture while also throwing a bone to us grassroots people.
As a campaign official said to me "This is SO SAD!
BizmanUSA
Note: Sections of quote edited as previously posted in many places
As far as the quoted prices posted on the RP website ($80-$140K) someone at HQ has seriously padded what was quoted to them or the campaign has added costs that were not discussed. These extra costs in an earlier post are listed as a $4,000 difference (listed as between $5000-$9000 for previous rallies)
I know this for a fact as I was quoting the prices.
The information was NOT SLOW in coming to HQ staff but maybe HQ was a bit slow in absorbing what a HUGE outdoor rally production costs in a downtown/urban major city in the United States. This statement is NOT meant as an insult or a slap in the face but something that the powers to be must realize as we go on to win this for RP and us.
The prices quoted varied on what HQ wanted to provide for all the rally attendees.
I had advised I would keep trying to limit costs but I needed to know what was to be cut from the menu list of choices.
There were some quirky stipulations by the park management but nothing that couldn't be figured out.
Man, I would have love to have a 140K budget but it was NEVER EVER mentioned!
Yes there were union costs involved but last I knew they also vote. It is always good to include them in on events where they typically operate and Philly IS an organized labor town. Talk about how fast the bad word can travel it (the Bad Word) actually travels faster in union land than it does on this forum - I know that is hard to believe but I think it is true!
There is so much that I can rebut but it is truly not worth the effort for it was all about cost and not the "highly complex issues" as what was quoted by someone from HQ.
IMHO, this planned rally at Independence Park was a major opportunity to send Ron Paul and this campaign into the stratosphere helping RP land and take the office of POTUS.
Being frugal is a good thing but it seems this is a case of penny (although many) wise and pound-foolish. We all can only hope that HQ soon sees a bigger picture while also throwing a bone to us grassroots people.
As a campaign official said to me "This is SO SAD!
BizmanUSA
Note: Sections of quote edited as previously posted in many places
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Where would be the best place to set up a large screen Chad? Right outside the venue or somewhere near by.
I assume thats the mass transit?
if so, it couldn't handle the load anyways.
Yeah, I haven't been upset at he campaign yet, but they should have just eaten the costs, and done the rally. I am upset at the campaign now.
They have several parking lots, the biggest one however is a bit of a hill so I don't know how well that would work. They have a smaller one in front that might work out a bit better. As far as in the actual park I believe your going to need a permit because this might end up being a lot of people..
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-...189216&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image
Go into the satellite view to get a better idea of what I am talking about..
Well, the major thing is that a fair number of people in the city rely on SEPTA (public transit) for everything. Not everyone has a car. Tons of students would have been able to walk or take a bus or train to the rally at Indy Mall. It may have been crowded, but it would have worked.
Everything about this just sucks. Indoor rally for 2000 supporters. Woohoo. Like we have had 20 of those already.
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LAME-----Short sighted HQ committee unwilling to stick their necks out on this one IMHO
Since this looks like the place to vent...I too think it was a mistake to move the rally.
I was thinking of making the trip myself, but not now.
Call me crazy, but I bet if the campaign simply asked us to raise 140K for the rally, they'd have it tommorow.
I was thinking of making the trip myself, but not now.
Call me crazy, but I bet if the campaign simply asked us to raise 140K for the rally, they'd have it tommorow.
agreed, should cancel the whole thing and go to NH - this is like kinda being pregnant.
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