Philly Rally - VALLEY FORGE

[fletcher]

I'm glad the campaign is being smart with our money. The money is MUCH better spent on ads than some extremely overpriced rally that will get few new supporters.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

Obama has rallys of 5k all the time... no biggie

no biggie... for Obama.. MSM darling. TOP TIER OBAMA.

If Ron Paul gets these crowds, the MSM will have to surrender any notion of underdog and admit he is as real as it comes.

Ok, here is the math. They are saving $130K and the meeting will be limited to 2,000 people, hidden and tucked 20-30 miles away.

If they spent the money they could have a rally that is unlimited, and likely to draw 5,000+ people and the big
MSM exposure being in the open like that and in a historically very significant location quite relevant to RPs campaign.

I wonder how the overflow (in relation to center's pennsylvania room's capacity) people will feel on the day.

 

[Thomas_Paine]

Rallies are no fun when you are sitting down in chairs. That's not what I call a rally.

They usually have some chairs but mostly it will be standing room. I have been to two rallies (both indoors) the Vegas one w/ 400, and the SLC one with 1000. They were both incredible. The rally in Philly will be awesome.....The energy will be incredible. Let's enjoy it, stop complaining....think positively and move on... Honestly, I am spending a lot of my time and money to go (We live in AZ), but only positive thinking will move this forward. We must stand together, on fire for our freedom, not divided and grumbling...

 

[TruckinMike]

Valley forge is where they ate their saddles. because they were starving to death. I guess we should let that be a motivating factor...

They were eating shoe leather... while we have to ride 30 minutes in a cozy car or bus.

thats a fair trade off

Ok... i've got my mojo back

Truckinmike

 

[KewlRonduderules]

no biggie... for Obama.. MSM darling. TOP TIER OBAMA.

If Ron Paul gets these crowds, the MSM will have to surrender any notion of underdog and admit he is as real as it comes.

Exactly! Sounds like they screwed him over.

If so, I can see why the campaign did this. It would make much better sense.

Nevertheless, the campaign should have been better organized.

 

[me3]

They did say this would be broadcast on Justin.tv.

The head cam is lame, and Justin.tv's sidebar chat is intolerable.

 

[RobotJaxxon]

I've not read the whole thread, but I have a question.

Who runs Philadelphia?

Doesn't Ed Rendell own that city now?

Being raised in Pittsburgh, I feel obligated to say Philadelphia sucks.

Rendell is an egotistical idiot. He and his cronies did everything they could to get in the way of Pittsburgh building a new arena earlier this year.

However, the awesome RP group in Philly gives me some hope that the place isn't all bad.

 

[JoshLowry]

Some of you need to take a break and watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0yYdrAovQ

 

[Ozwest]

On the convention center website, it says it's only a 20 minute drive from Philly. Is it in the 3,800 acre National Park? If it is, maybe a combination indoor/outdoor rally could be organized with live feed on a large screen to accomodate overflow. Anyone out there with local knowledge?

 

[KewlRonduderules]

Some of you need to take a break and watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0yYdrAovQ

LOL!!!

Thanks I needed that!!!

 

[ItsTime]

How can they be happy? They need to drive a whole 30 mins to save the campaign 130k dollars!

Some of you need to take a break and watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0yYdrAovQ

 

[kherty]

Everyone just go to independence mall and fly banners/Flags/Signs etc..If nothing else the 8000 or so people who couldnt have fit in to valley forge can hand out info and make an awesome youtube!!!

Its not the man its the message...

I agree...put a sign in everybody's hands and walk the streets of Philly!!!!

Get the message out there! Who cares about the rally, let's get some publicity!!!

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

Can we setup a giant tv at independence mall with a live feed from valley forge?

Would a permit be required?

FYI, I have to say I am disappointed too. I think they screwed up but hopefully they will learn from this. I don't want to sound critical but maybe Dr. Paul will get some new staff because of this. At this point, he has raised so much money and is a rising star. He needs the staff that will effectively promote him.

Nevertheless, there is a good side to this- less likelihood of violence, it's cheaper, and we still can meet at Independence Mall before the rally if we have shuttles picking us up. Maybe have our own little pre-rally.

Good idea!

The important thing is right now for Ron to be frugal with his money if he wants it to last all the way through the primaries. We cant worry about this stuff right now.

Just wait, when Ron wins, I imagine he will be able to have rallies anywhere he wants and wont have to worry about the cost so much.

Lets just work on getting him to that point, and save the celebration till that time.

That's crap, he'll lose way more than $140,000 from new and old supporters.

Are there grounds outside the venue where a large screen could be set-up to accomodate a spillover audience? Anyone been to this venue before who could describe the lay-out?

WE DEFINITELY NEED THIS!

...I don't think the people in the campaign have ever handled a candidate of this magnitude and I think they are playing small time. 2200 capacity??? That seems like a small dinner party compared to what may very well be there.

This of #2 F***UP.

WAKE UP CAMPAIGN.

Honestly, I say that everyone should just bring banners and march 5,000 strong down the streets of Philly!

 

[RobS]

Stop it. If you were planning on going, still go! Would it have been cool to be downtown? Yes, it would've. We can still see Ron Paul at the biggest rally for him yet. It will still be very energetic and fun. We will still get media attention, even if it is somewhat less.

This isn't going to kill the campaign, we can still show up with 10,000 people at the convention center if people stop pissing and moaning. Grow up and keep telling people about Ron. Get over yourselves guys, I'll still be there and I am sure I'll have a blast! You can to, it is all about attitude.

Let's do what we can to still keep this rally HUGE, we can do it!

 

[TheEvilDetector]

...I don't think the people in the campaign have ever handled a candidate of this magnitude and I think they are playing small time. 2200 capacity??? That seems like a small dinner party compared to what may very well be there.

I agree, he has been able to get 2,000 strong crowds on very short notice previously.

This rally has been known about for a long time and MASSIVE efforts have been made to get people to come by the grass roots patriots.

It is not unreasonable to expect 5,000 or more. So how the hell does a room with 2,200 capacity work in this situation? Clearly it doesn't!

 

[TheEvilDetector]

Stop it. If you were planning on going, still go! Would it have been cool to be downtown? Yes, it would've. We can still see Ron Paul at the biggest rally for him yet. It will still be very energetic and fun. We will still get media attention, even if it is somewhat less.

This isn't going to kill the campaign, we can still show up with 10,000 people at the convention center if people stop pissing and moaning. Grow up and keep telling people about Ron. Get over yourselves guys, I'll still be there and I am sure I'll have a blast! You can to, it is all about attitude.

Let's do what we can to still keep this rally HUGE, we can do it!

You can show up, but you will be standing outside while he is giving a speech inside.

 

[bbachtung]

I wonder if it is too late for the campaign to go with the 2,900 seat Academy of Music?

They charge about $15,000 for a weekend event (nothing is currently scheduled there for November 10).

http://www.kimmelcenter.org/facilities/rent-academy.php

 

[TruckinMike]

The Valley Forge Convention Center overlooks the picturesque, rolling hillsides of 3,600-acre Valley Forge National Historical Park, a place where natural beauty meets high-tech convenience. An ideal venue for world-class meetings, expositions and tradeshows. After your event, you'll find numerous ways to relax and refresh at nearby golf courses, spas, art galleries, paintball, wineries and shopping.

The Convention Center is the offers the largest right to work exhibit space in Suburban Philadelphia with over 108,000 gross square feet of space. Great Space, Great location and great amenities.

The park is across the highway from the convention center... based on my GPS mapping software.

and thanks for the vid I needed it.

Truckinmike

 

[MozoVote]

If it was $46K as was being discussed this morning, I'd have said suck it up and hold the rally.

But $140K (or more!?) and I can begin to understand this. It's tough to get Ron to back down on principle, and he probably didn't like being "shaken down" by bureaucrats and union regulations.

Also, since we are getting later into the fall when it can be be cold and wet, I'm not surprised that the campaign goes for indoor venues when possible.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

If it was $46K as was being discussed this morning, I'd have said suck it up and hold the rally.

But $140K (or more!?) and I can begin to understand this. It's tough to get Ron to back down on principle, and he probably didn't like being "shaken down" by bureaucrats and union regulations.

Also, since we are getting later into the fall when it can be be cold and wet, I'm not surprised that the campaign goes for indoor venues when possible.

Great, now the TPTB are pricing RP out of existence. Well we knew they are going to fight him, a price war. LOL

You have witnessed the power of money. Except it was used against us and we lost.