Pharmacies Push Untested Flu Shot on Pregnant Women

Mercury is a poison and there is no denying that fact, but dumbasses continue to insist on ronpaulforums of all the places that it is safe depending on the dose. Also, learn the difference between metallic and organic mercury before you spout more bullshit. Why don't you go and guzzle mercury and be done with it?

Actually it's the dumbasses that are here continuing to deny that every medical body in the whole fucking world agrees that the mercury in vaccines causes no harm to humans.

Multiple studies have been performed on data from large populations of children to study the relationship between the use of vaccines containing thiomersal, and autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. Almost all of these studies have found no association between thiomersal-containing vaccines (TCVs) and autism, and studies done after the removal of thiomersal from vaccines have nevertheless shown autism rates continuing to increase. The only epidemiologic research that has found a purported link between TCVs and autism has been conducted by Mark Geier, whose flawed research has not been given any weight by independent reviews.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP]In Europe, a cohort study of 467,450 Danish children found no association between TCVs and autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASDs), nor any dose-response relationship between thiomersal and ASDs that would be suggestive of toxic exposure.[SUP][37][/SUP] An ecological analysis that studied 956 Danish children diagnosed with autism likewise did not show an association between autism and thiomersal.[SUP][38][/SUP] A retrospective cohort study on 109,863 children in the United Kingdom found no association between TCVs and autism, but a possible increased risk fortics. Analysis in this study also showed a possible protective effect with respect to general developmental disorders, attention-deficit disorder, and otherwise unspecified developmental delay.[SUP][39][/SUP]Another UK study based on a prospective cohort of 13,617 children likewise found more associated benefits than risks from thiomersal exposure with respect to developmental disorders.[SUP][40][/SUP]Because the Danish and UK studies involved only diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) or diphtheria-tetanus (DT) vaccines, they are less relevant for the higher thiomersal exposure levels that occurred in the U.S.[SUP][25][/SUP]
In North America, a Canadian study of 27,749 children in Quebec showed that thiomersal was unrelated to the increasing trend in pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs). In fact, the study noted that rates of PDDs were higher in the birth cohorts with no thiomersal when compared to those with medium or high levels of exposure.[SUP][41][/SUP] A study performed in the US which analyzed data from 78,829 children enrolled in HMOs taken from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) did not show any consistent association between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes, noting different results from data in different HMOs.[SUP][42][/SUP] A study performed in California found that removal of thiomersal from vaccines did not decrease the rates of autism, suggesting that thiomersal could not be the primary cause of autism.[SUP][43][/SUP] A study on children from Denmark, Sweden and California likewise argued against TCVs being causally associated with autism.[SUP][44][/SUP]



Maybe you should go learn some toxicology and be done with it? Because the mercury in vaccines is the type that doesn't build up in the body:

The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of oral methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved in ethyl mercury elimination.

Emotion-based evidence....there must be a name for it.
 
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Mercury accumulates in the kidneys and cross the blood brain barrier. From vaccines to fish..

Speaing of government lies, there is no evidence that mercury in fish is harmful to humans. If there was, the Japanese would be literally retarded.
 
Mercury accumulates in the kidneys and cross the blood brain barrier. From vaccines to fish and to cosmetics and dental fillings. So if it is does-dependent as you say, how would one know if they had too much?

They might not. But YOUR statement was that "mercury is dangerous in any amount - period." That is a false statement. Mercury can be dangerous with a sufficient dose and not otherwise. The poison is in the dose.

Just to back this up a bit, I will list for you a few items from the United States Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia: Acetate of mercury, mercuric chloride, cyanide of mercury, mercurous chloride, iodide of mercury, methyl mercury, mercury nitrate, sulphocyanide of mercury, and elemental mercury.

So how is it that numerous standard homeopathic remedies are made with mercury (both organic and inorganic) and yet are considered to be harmless by everyone - even those who think homeopathy is bunk?

Answer: the poison is in the dose. If you come to understand this, you will save yourself much useless stress.
 
They might not. But YOUR statement was that "mercury is dangerous in any amount - period." That is a false statement. Mercury can be dangerous with a sufficient dose and not otherwise. The poison is in the dose.

Just to back this up a bit, I will list for you a few items from the United States Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia: Acetate of mercury, mercuric chloride, cyanide of mercury, mercurous chloride, iodide of mercury, methyl mercury, mercury nitrate, sulphocyanide of mercury, and elemental mercury.

So how is it that numerous standard homeopathic remedies are made with mercury (both organic and inorganic) and yet are considered to be harmless by everyone - even those who think homeopathy is bunk?

Answer: the poison is in the dose. If you come to understand this, you will save yourself much useless stress.

Okay, I have done a good deal of research on the matter and I will concede my point; "mercury is dangerous in any amount--period." I understand what you meant by "The dose makes the poison - period." I also found in my research that if you are concerned about the mercury accumulations you should take selenium (200 mcg daily) to help purge it out of the system since mercury binds to selenium.

Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/698281
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041008X96980953

Dr. Nicholas Ralston is a research scientist at the University of North Dakota Energy and Environmental Research Center and has done studies with fish mercury and pointed out the misconceptions and fears with regards to high levels of mercury in some fish but that many fish balance out with selenium--which doesn't allow the mercury to be absorbed so readily when eaten. Very interesting research.

References:
http://undeerc.org/fish/pdfs/Selenium-Mercury.pdf
http://undeerc.org/fish/videoclips.aspx

By the way Acala...thanks for pushing me to do more research--which eased my stress. ;)
 
Okay, I have done a good deal of research on the matter and I will concede my point; "mercury is dangerous in any amount--period." I understand what you meant by "The dose makes the poison - period." I also found in my research that if you are concerned about the mercury accumulations you should take selenium (200 mcg daily) to help purge it out of the system since mercury binds to selenium.

Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/698281
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041008X96980953

Dr. Nicholas Ralston is a research scientist at the University of North Dakota Energy and Environmental Research Center and has done studies with fish mercury and pointed out the misconceptions and fears with regards to high levels of mercury in some fish but that many fish balance out with selenium--which doesn't allow the mercury to be absorbed so readily when eaten. Very interesting research.

References:
http://undeerc.org/fish/pdfs/Selenium-Mercury.pdf
http://undeerc.org/fish/videoclips.aspx

By the way Acala...thanks for pushing me to do more research--which eased my stress. ;)

Thanks for your thoughtful response!
 
Okay, I have done a good deal of research on the matter and I will concede my point; "mercury is dangerous in any amount--period." I understand what you meant by "The dose makes the poison - period." I also found in my research that if you are concerned about the mercury accumulations you should take selenium (200 mcg daily) to help purge it out of the system since mercury binds to selenium.

Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/698281
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041008X96980953

Dr. Nicholas Ralston is a research scientist at the University of North Dakota Energy and Environmental Research Center and has done studies with fish mercury and pointed out the misconceptions and fears with regards to high levels of mercury in some fish but that many fish balance out with selenium--which doesn't allow the mercury to be absorbed so readily when eaten. Very interesting research.

References:
http://undeerc.org/fish/pdfs/Selenium-Mercury.pdf
http://undeerc.org/fish/videoclips.aspx

By the way Acala...thanks for pushing me to do more research--which eased my stress. ;)

Fish mercury and the mercury in vaccines were not the same compounds (thimerisol- the source for mercury- was removed from vaccines intended for children years ago so isn't an issue anyways). One is ethyl mercury and the other methyl mercury. Ethyl mercury is the form used in some vaccines and methyl mercury is the one found in fish. Ethyl does not accululate in the body as readily as methyl and is less toxic. Average half life in the body of ethyl mercury is seven days and the amount in a vaccine is extremely small so you would litterally need thousands of vaccines in a few days to have any problems with it.

http://www.decodedscience.com/ethyl-methyl-mercury-difference/25234/2
Ethylmercury

The main source of ethylmercury, or EtHg, is thiomersal (or thimerosal), an organic compound which is used as a preservative in vaccines, and which degrades to give EtHg.

EtHg does not bioaccumulate, or build up in the body; from this point of view, therefore, it is less dangerous than MeHg.

The amount of mercury in vaccines which do (and the vast majority don't- basically just the flu vaccine designed for multi use does- you can request single use vaccine which does not use thimerisol) is 25 micrograms. One microgram is ten to the minus sixth grams or 0.000025 grams.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228 Link also includes a list of which vaccines do and don't use thimerisol.
 
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Bored tonight. Here is a short list of studies concerning flu vaccines and pregnant women:


CMAJ. 2014 Jan 13. [Epub ahead of print]
Rates and determinants of seasonal influenza vaccination in pregnancy and association with neonatal outcomes.
Legge A, Dodds L, Macdonald NE, Scott J, McNeil S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24396098

Semin Fetal Neonatal Med. 2013 Dec 16. pii: S1744-165X(13)00123-6. doi: 10.1016/j.siny.2013.11.014. [Epub ahead of print]
Vaccines and pregnancy: Past, present, and future.
Rasmussen SA1, Watson AK2, Kennedy ED3, Broder KR4, Jamieson DJ5.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24355683

Med J Aust. 2013 Dec 16;199(11):744-6.
Using SMS technology to verify the safety of seasonal trivalent influenza vaccine for pregnant women in real time.
Regan AK1, Blyth CC2, Effler PV3.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24329634

Clin Infect Dis. 2013 Dec 19. [Epub ahead of print]
Effectiveness of Seasonal Trivalent Influenza Vaccine for Preventing Influenza Virus Illness Among Pregnant Women: A Population-Based Case-Control Study During the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 Influenza Seasons.
Thompson MG, Li DK, Shifflett P, Sokolow LZ, Ferber JR, Kurosky S, Bozeman S, Reynolds SB, Odouli R, Henninger ML, Kauffman TL, Avalos LA, Ball S, Williams JL, Irving SA, Shay DK, Naleway AL; for the Pregnancy and Influenza Project Workgroup.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24280090

Matern Child Health J. 2013 Nov 24. [Epub ahead of print]
Efficacy and Effectiveness of Maternal Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy: A Review of the Evidence.
Manske JM.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24272875

Obstet Gynecol. 2013 Dec;122(6):1271-8. doi: 10.1097/AOG.0000000000000010.
Safety of influenza A (H1N1) 2009 live attenuated monovalent vaccine in pregnant women.
Moro PL, Museru OI, Broder K, Cragan J, Zheteyeva Y, Tepper N, Revzina N, Lewis P, Arana J, Barash F, Kissin D, Vellozzi C.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24201689

Expert Rev Vaccines. 2013 Dec;12(12):1417-30. doi: 10.1586/14760584.2013.851607.
Influenza vaccination and fetal and neonatal outcomes.
Fell DB, Dodds L, MacDonald NE, Allen VM, McNeil S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24195480

MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2013 Nov 1;62(43):854-7.
Influenza vaccination among pregnant women--Massachusetts, 2009-2010.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24172879

Vaccine. 2013 Nov 12;31(47):5557-64. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2013.08.081. Epub 2013 Sep 25.
Influenza vaccination during pregnancy: coverage rates and influencing factors in two urban districts in Sydney.
Maher L, Hope K, Torvaldsen S, Lawrence G, Dawson A, Wiley K, Thomson D, Hayen A, Conaty S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24076176

MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2013 Sep 27;62(38):787-92.
Influenza vaccination coverage among pregnant women--United States, 2012-13 influenza season.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24067583
 
There is no thermisol in the single dose flu shot.


Have you ever played with mercury, Angela? It is actually very cool. As a kid we broke a few mercury thermometers and played with the stuff. What mercury does to silver coins is amazing ... it makes them look like brand new. Cool stuff unless it is digested.
 
Have you ever played with mercury, Angela? It is actually very cool. As a kid we broke a few mercury thermometers and played with the stuff. What mercury does to silver coins is amazing ... it makes them look like brand new. Cool stuff unless it is digested.

Apparently you may have played with it a lot more than I have.

And I suspect you're talking about elemental mercury. That's not what is used as a preservative in the vaccines that use thermisol. It's like comparing rubbing alcohol to whiskey. You drink one of them, you go blind. You drink the other, and it exits the body in about 7 days.

But there is no thermisol in the single dose flu shot, so if that's what you're concerned about, go get that shot!
 
Apparently you may have played with it a lot more than I have.

And I suspect you're talking about elemental mercury. That's not what is used as a preservative in the vaccines that use thermisol. It's like comparing rubbing alcohol to whiskey. You drink one of them, you go blind. You drink the other, and it exits the body in about 7 days.

But there is no thermisol in the single dose flu shot, so if that's what you're concerned about, go get that shot!

Why the Hell would I do that? You get the shot. It makes no sense to me.
 
Here's a flashback:

OPEN LETTER TO PEDIATRICIANS ON FLU VACCINES by THOMAS STONE, MD.

Let us examine then the CAUTION displayed by the CDC in the Great Swine Flu Vaccination Disaster. When swine flu, or what was thought to be swine flu, broke out in a small epidemic at Fort Dix, New Jersey, public-health officials panicked and jumped to a lot of unwarranted conclusions. This panic set in motion the greatest public-health fiasco in the history of the United States thus far.

The Fort Dix epidemic comprised 12 cases of the "swine flu." And, although no new cases were discovered at Fort Dix after the initial outbreak, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, the Centers for Disease Control began a headlong rush into disaster.

MOST EXPERTS SAID that since immunization attempts against the flu epidemics of 1957 and 1968 had been completely unsuccessful, this would be a very expensive and DANGEROUS FOOL'S ERRAND by the CDC. Dr. E. Russell Alexander, Professor of Public health, University of Washington, said: "Our general view is that you should BE CONSERVATIVE about PUTTING FOREIGN MATERIAL into the human body." That's always true---especially when you are talking about TWO HUNDRED MILLION BODIES. The need should be estimated conservatively. "IF YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE IT, DON'T."[Emphasis added].

But CDC officials were assuring everyone that the vaccine was PERFECTLY SAFE--"just like water"--in the words of Dr. Walter Dowdle. IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL CAUTION? HAS ANYTHING CHANGED?

The CDC set up a staff of "experts," including those darlings of the medical-political complex, Salk and Sabin. You will probably not be surprised to learn that Dr. E. Russell Alexander, who urged caution, was not included on this August body of experts.

IS IT ANY DIFFERENT TODAY? YOU ARE NOT SURPRISED, ARE YOU? ANYONE WHO DARES TO TELL THE TRUTH WOULD NEVER BE ON ANOTHER PANEL NOR WOULD THEY EVER GET ANOTHER RESEARCH GRANT. Do you think these people are dumb?

What happened recently to Dr. Andrew Wakefield at the Royal Free Hospital in London when he discovered that the vaccine caused changes in the gut which, in turn, could trigger autism? How many scientists are going to sacrifice their entire career and any future research grants by reporting the truth about these increasingly dangerous vaccines?

Even the head of the CDC admitted later that the panel of experts was merely a rubber stamp, a bunch of medical stooges.

IS IT ANY DIFFERENT NOW? - YOU ARE OUR BABIES AND CHILDREN'S LAST AND ONLY DEFENSE! This vaccine is against a disease that even the CDC admits is less than one in a million chance. AND YOU ARE CONTINUING TO RELY ON PANELS OF "EXPERTS," in the CDC, the PHS, the FDA and your AAP who are RUBBER STAMPS, a bunch of MEDICAL STOOGES! Can any of you honestly say that these panels are any different today? And, like the little trusting children that you all want to serve in the best possible manner, you trust these "experts" just as the children trust their parents.

In one of the topics, a pediatrician mentioned that he often thought like the children that he treated. Perhaps that is one of the qualities that it takes to be a good pediatrician, to relate well with children, to be able to see and feel like a child, and to trust parental figures without question. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, for the sake of your little patients, THINK CAREFULLY and CRITICALLY evaluate this SAME propaganda, from the SAME agencies, who are serving the SAME masters!

So President Gerald Ford, accepting what he assumed was the best advice available, and flanked by Salk and Sabin, signed the go-ahead bill in the White House press room with cameras rolling.

This vaccine was made from the yokes of eggs, and a certain number of people could be expected to have violent allergic reactions to the egg protein. But this would turn out to be the least of the problems. The American Medical Association, always in the forefront of any type of immunization drive, strongly supported the program but would soon, like the public health establishment, have egg on its face.

Although everyone was assured by the CDC that the vaccine was 90 percent effective and had little or no side effects, their own study in 1968-69 proved that "optimally constituted influenza vaccines at standard dosage levels have little, if any, effectiveness..." The Office of Management and Budget suggested that the CDC rethink its program: "The main reason for a possible change in approach is that there have not been any further cases of swine flu ANYWHERE in the world since the 12 Fort Dix cases..." The emphasis on "ANYWHERE" is in the original report, unusual in a government report. But the political juggernaut was on its way.

READ THAT LAST PARAGRAPH AGAIN, about how CAUTIOUS the CDC WAS AND IS. Matters got rapidly worse. Incredibly, the planners forgot to allow in the trials for a two half-dose regimen for children, those considered most vulnerable and those most likely to spread the infection. "We just didn't think of it," one field worker later admitted.

Adding to the chaos, the Park-Davis Pharmaceutical Company had somehow managed to use the wrong virus. Millions of doses (and dollars) were discarded and the program was set back another six weeks. No one seemed to notice that the virus yield from the chicken eggs was only one vaccine dose per egg, which indicated that their Fort Dix swine flu, or whatever it was, grew slowly and was therefore non-virulent. It was unlikely to cause an epidemic. Or did they notice, and were afraid to say anything. There are powerful forces promoting these vaccines. Because, of course, they are so concerned about our babies and children!

Although children were to be the main target of the program, they were excluded because it was discovered that it didn't work in children. To avoid the American people seeing their total incompetence, this information was withheld from the public. Did you read that in your AAP journal?

Pediatricians were saved by this then. This time there is little hope since the vaccines (20, 25 or 50?) involve children.

When it became clear there would be no epidemic, Sabin abandoned ship and urged the abandonment of the entire program. By mid-summer, CDC officials were admitting there was no need for the program. But then a strange thing happened, which illustrates how dangerous your congressman can be when mass emotion, rather than good scientific judgment and common sense, rules events. The Congress passed the swine flu vaccination bill because of the outbreak of Legionnaire's disease. Jerry Ford, not known for his intelligence or grasp of logical concepts, told Congress that, although Legionnaire's Disease caused the deaths in Philadelphia and not swine flu, they could have been caused by swine flu! Following this peculiar logic, the bill passed overwhelmingly. Is this kind of peculiar logic limited to Congress?

Continued...


Five years ago...

 
Massive Vaccine-Induced Fetal Death Coverup Exposed

Massive Vaccine-Induced Fetal Death Coverup Exposed

GMI Reporter
Green Med Info

CDC Misleads Nations Ob/Gyns -Covering-up Of The Most Massive Fetal Death Reports Associated With The Influenza Vaccine in the History of Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)

Dr. Gary Goldman’s study on the 4,250% spike in fetal death reports during the 2009/10 H1N1 “pandemic” originally rejected by the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology (AJOG), who is charged by the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) as complicit in a massive cover-up and manipulation of data associated with the 2009/10 flu season fetal deaths is now available free to the public. Subsequently published in the Human & Experimental Toxicology Journal (HET), as a Sage choice study, the Goldman study is now listed in Pub med as a free PMC article.

Comparison of VAERS fetal-loss reports during three consecutive influenza seasons: was there a synergistic fetal toxicity associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season? Goldman GS. Hum Exp Toxicol. 2013 May;32(5):464-75.

Despite an apparent trail of documented collusion and misconduct amongst the CDC, AJOG (Elsevier) and 9 non-profits including the March of Dimes, this alarmingly poor outcome of the 2009/10 H1N1vaccine experiment on the fetuses of pregnant women was successfully covered up by the CDC until Goldman exposed the statistics, documenting the harm in his recent publication.

Continued...
 
"Massive fetal deaths?" How many kids die from the flu vaccine each year?

Let's check the reported figures in the article. First, we must note that VAERS reports can be filed by anybody- any patient, doctor, family member, person on the street. I can file a claim that my entire family was wiped out by a vaccine. So can you. There is no verification that a reported event at VAERS happened or that if it did happen that a vaccination was a direct cause. Since the data is not scientifically collected and not verified it is not a useful database to try to determine any sort of cause and effect.

But let us proceed. The piece claims that there was a 4,250% increase in fetal death reports from the 2009 H1N1 flu season compared to the year before. According to actual figures,

VAERS Summary:
• As of February 26, 2010, nearly 127 million doses of 2009 H1N1 vaccine had been shipped to vaccination providers in the United States, although the precise number of vaccines administered is unknown.
• As of February 26, 2010, VAERS had received 10,172 adverse event reports following 2009 monovalent H1N1 vaccination.
• The vast majority (93%) of adverse events reported to VAERS after receiving the 2009 monovalent H1N1 vaccine are classified as “non-serious” (e.g., soreness at the vaccine injection site).
• Of the 10,172 reports, 636 (6%) were reports that were classified as “serious” health events (defined as life threatening or resulting in death, major disability, abnormal conditions at birth, hospitalization, or extension of an existing hospitalization)*.
• The percentage of reports involving what would be considered serious health events is not different between 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines. Additionally, no new or unusual events or pattern of adverse events have emerged.
• VAERS reports continue to be monitored as more vaccine is administered.
Among the 636 reports of serious health events, there were 51 reports of death.
• As with all reports of serious adverse events and deaths, the 51 VAERS reports that involve deaths are under review by CDC, FDA and the states where the reported deaths occurred. Preliminary findings do not indicate a common cause or pattern (such as similarities in age, gender, geographic location, illness surrounding death, or underlying medical conditions) to suggest that these deaths were associated with the vaccine. These cases are under further review pending additional medical records (e.g., autopsy reports, medical files).

reports are without regard to whether or not the event was caused by the vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused the event. It only indicates that the event occurred sometime after administration of the vaccine. Proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is NOT required in order for VAERS to accept the report.
o No reports are deleted from VAERS. Therefore, it is possible to have more than one VAERS report on an individual case (e.g., a physician and a patient may have filed separate reports for the same case)

So 51 reported possible deaths. Even if we assume that they were all fetal deaths, that (a 4,250% increase) means that the year before must have had only a single flu death report. Assuming all deaths for 2009 were fetal deaths. If less than half of the reported deaths were fetal then the number from the previous year must have been less than one and possibly zero. Bear in mind that the deaths are self- reported, non verified and not conclusively linked to any vaccination and that 127 million doses of the vaccination were given.
 
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