Petitions to substitute the Boers for other "refugees"

[Ender]

IIRC, there are interesting parallels between the history of the US (especially the west) and the Boers. There was a similar frontier, cowboy, individualistic "culture", and a rebellious attitude towards the rulers in Europe.

There was also the parallel of a bunch of savage natives that needed uprooting- all them Injuns & them Messicans. Especially considering America's Manifest Destiny.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Looks like the Aussies are going to take them in.


Australia Examining Fast-Track Visas for Threatened South African Farmers

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...k-visas-for-threatened-south-african-farmers/

by Simon Kent 14 Mar 2018

Australia is ready to consider issuing special visas to mainly white, Afrikaans-speaking South African farmers due to the “horrific circumstances” of land seizures, violence and murder they face.

Peter Dutton, Australia’s home affairs minister, told the Sydney Daily Telegraph on Wednesday his department was examining a range of methods to smooth their path to Australia on humanitarian or other visa programs.

As Breitbart News has reported, South Africans are increasingly worried that the government’s plans to expropriate land from white farmers without compensation could destroy the economy and the country’s fragile democracy.

South Africa’s new president Cyril Ramaphosa has vowed to pursue the same course as Zimbabwe’s former leader Robert Mugabe in expropriating farmland from white farmers without compensation.

President Ramaphosa, who replaced Jacob Zuma after years of corruption scandals finally forced the 75-year-old from office, was cheered in the South African parliament as he pledged to “accelerate our land distribution programme … to redress a grave historical injustice [and] make more land available to our people for cultivation.”

Such is the level of violence in South Africa that thousands of mainly white, Afrikaans-speaking farmers have taken to the streets to protest and plead for help.

Last year the October 30th #BlackMonday protests were organised after civil rights group AfriForum released figures claiming the murder rate for South African farmers was 156 per 100,000 — putting it well above the already high national average and making farming arguably the most dangerous occupation in the world outside a warzone.

At the same time, the number of slain farmers, farm workers, and family members — most of them white — had hit 71, surpassing the estimated death toll for 2016.

Now Australia stands ready to offer help.

“If you look at the footage and read the stories, you hear the accounts, it’s a horrific circumstance they face,” Mr. Dutton told the Telegraph.

The home affairs minister noted Australia has refugee, humanitarian and other visa programs which have the “potential to help some of these people”. He said he had asked his department to look at the options “because from what I have seen they do do need help from a civilised country like ours”.

“The people we’re talking about want to work hard, they want to contribute to a country like Australia,” Mr. Dutton continued. “We want people who want to come here, abide by our laws, integrate into our society, work hard, not lead a life on welfare. And I think these people deserve special attention and we’re certainly applying that special attention now.”

Mr. Dutton suggested options included the in-country persecution visa category, and to bring them to Australia on humanitarian visas via referrals from others in Australia.

Going anywhere is better than SA but Australia is anti-gun and being flooded with muslims, it may not be better than SA for much longer.

 

[Superfluous Man]

They are a branch of the same Christian European culture that we are from and they have similar leanings towards liberty.

America has no leanings towards liberty.

And again, who do you mean by "we"?

Do the people in America who are not Christian Europeans have any less of a claim on America than those who are?

 

[Swordsmyth]

There was also the parallel of a bunch of savage natives that needed uprooting- all them Injuns & them Messicans. Especially considering America's Manifest Destiny.

If you believe "revisionist and liberal" historians over those who lived at the time.

 

[Lamp]

when the President of the country you live in sings celebratory songs about killing Boers and is making veiled threats, pretty sure its a legitimate reason to be concerned

When you are represented by two major legal political parties in parliament and control a major portion of the economy your not suffering an existential crisis. Some people are and this goes overlooked. Even now they are doing incredibly well outside of South Africa in countries like the UAE, Canada and Argentina after emigrating from South Africa legally which they could afford to do.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Looks like the Aussies are going to take them in.

I like that idea of fast-track visas. Don't allocate any funding to them, just let them come here and pay their way or find people to voluntarily help them.

Same goes for all other refugees.

 

[Swordsmyth]

America has no leanings towards liberty.

We have more than the rest of the world.

And again, who do you mean by "we"?

Do the people in America who are not Christian Europeans have any less of a claim on America than those who are?

Euro-Whites are the dominant culture in America, get over it, we have accepted more cultural elements from minorities than most other cultures have in history and we don't have to give up our own.

 

[Anti Federalist]

America has no leanings towards liberty.

Quite right.

Due in no small part to allowing the wretched refuse of every nation of the world to come here and stake a claim, without having the slightest notion or giving a solid fuck about how it takes a free society to create wealth and opportunity.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Due in no small part to allowing the wretched refuse of every nation of the world to come here and stake a claim, without having the slightest notion or giving a solid $#@! about how it takes a free society to create wealth and opportunity.

If I own land and sell it to someone you consider wretched refuse, that's between me and them. What business do you, or the rest of "America" have not allowing it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

If I own land and sell it to someone you consider wretched refuse, that's between me and them. What business do you, or the rest of "America" have not allowing it?

Because we have a right to keep out those who would erect a tyranny around us.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Euro-Whites are the dominant culture in America, get over it, we have accepted more cultural elements from minorities than most other cultures have in history and we don't have to give up our own.

Of course you don't have to give up your own. And letting me welcome someone else from some other culture onto my land, or selling my land to them, wouldn't entail you giving up one bit of your culture. It wouldn't be any of your business. And if it resulted in some combination of traits that you consider your culture no longer being the dominant one in some swath of land that you don't own but somehow still consider yours, but only by way of some inscrutable collectivist fallacy, it still wouldn't be any of your business.

You could still eat the same food, attend the same church, speak the same language, and preserve your race by teaching your kids only to marry other whites. All you would have to do is leave other people alone to exercise their rights.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Because we have a right to keep out those who would erect a tyranny around us.

You do have that right when it comes to your own property.

But you don't have any right to do that with my property.

The minute you insist on doing that, it becomes you who are propping up tyrannical erections.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If I own land and sell it to someone you consider wretched refuse, that's between me and them. What business do you, or the rest of "America" have not allowing it?

Because that guy turns around and votes against my best interests and liberty, votes to rob me using government proxies as his highwaymen.

If you sold your land to a bunch of crackheads who started robbing my house every chance they got, then it becomes my business.

 

[Superfluous Man]

If you sold your land to a bunch of crackheads who started robbing my house every chance they got, then it becomes my business.

Only once they robbed you, not before.

 

[Lamp]

Probably because no one wants to vote for a bunch of crackhead republicans who have already ruined their image and make little effort to appeal to others instead of masturbating to 10 commandments statues. At least Dems make an effort to appear like they care about the real issues. You cannot eat values and tradition I don't know a single person on the fucking planet who can do that.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There was also the parallel of a bunch of savage natives that needed uprooting- all them Injuns & them Messicans. Especially considering America's Manifest Destiny.

Yeah, and they were also a bit non-mainstream in their religious beliefs. Maybe their closest parallel is with the Mormons?

 

[Swordsmyth]

You do have that right when it comes to your own property.

But you don't have any right to do that with my property.

The minute you insist on doing that, it becomes you who are propping up tyrannical erections.

We have a self defense right to protect ourselves from tyranny, it requires the concept of group territory because that is how tyranny works.

 

[Ender]

If you believe "revisionist and liberal" historians over those who lived at the time.

Most "revisionist" history is true history- not the junk you learn in school.

Such as:

The first real republic in America was the Iroquois Nation. The leaders actually visited with the FF to discuss this and this was instrumental in bringing about the Constitution.

The savage scalpers in early America were the Brits, who were famous for it in Europe. In America they paid $20 a scalp for any Indian man, woman, or child. The Indians had a small amount of scalping in a few tribes for certain rites but it was the Brits that caused the backlash and made scalping prominent.

The only white men the Indians trusted were the Scots, who told the truth (and wore skirts.)

 

[Ender]

Yeah, and they were also a bit non-mainstream in their religious beliefs. Maybe their closest parallel is with the Mormons?

Mormons were definitely not main stream but they were driven out of America proper, partially because of their belief in ending slavery.

 

[Lamp]

Most "revisionist" history is true history- not the junk you learn in school.

Such as:

The first real republic in America was the Iroquois Nation. The leaders actually visited with the FF to discuss this and this was instrumental in bringing about the Constitution.

The savage scalpers in early America were the Brits, who were famous for it in Europe. In America they paid $20 a scalp for any Indian man, woman, or child. The Indians had a small amount of scalping in a few tribes for certain rites but it was the Brits that caused the backlash and made scalping prominent.

The only white men the Indians trusted were the Scots, who told the truth (and wore skirts.)

Also arguably the French to a certain extent.