Permits

[christagious]

Doesn't the idea of permits conflict with our right to assemble?

 

[Deborah K]

Absolutely! I hate that we have to do this. But if we don't, D.C. will slam us down hard! And it will do us more harm than good. I suspect however, there may come a time in this movement, when civil disobedience will play a role......but not yet.

 

[Joseph Hart]

Unfortunately we have to abide to the unconstitutional laws.

 

[Agent CSL]

Yes it does conflict with our constitution! The question is, should we be... not only turned away by police, but do we really need a huge court battle and fines (that we would fight). Or would it be better to get the permit and then when we get our people in place, fight these silly laws?

We aren't going to get the law revoked through a court battle trying to defend ourselves against fines. Our time and money is best spent to fight the laws through the senate/house/local offices.

Just my .02

 

[Tom228]

well it could also do with disturbing the peace. Like if you guys are filling the streets you block all traffic. People could get rowdy and all that stuff.

Is this public or private area? Cause if it's private, then you have to respect the Property Rights.

 

[pcosmar]

well it could also do with disturbing the peace. Like if you guys are filling the streets you block all traffic. People could get rowdy and all that stuff.

Is this public or private area? Cause if it's private, then you have to respect the Property Rights.

I believe the Capital belongs to "We The People".
I also seem to remember something about a guarantee of being able to peaceably assemble to present grievances.

Something I read somewhere.

 

[Ex Post Facto]

I believe the Capital belongs to "We The People".
I also seem to remember something about a guarantee of being able to peaceably assemble to present grievances.

Something I read somewhere.

Only if you aren't connected as a group. If you are a group you must pay for permits and the likes. Now, if everyone converged on a city, with nobody responsible for organizing the effort could they hold anyone accountable? I don't know. Maybe we can show up to someone else's event There are plenty of anti-war, pro-constitutional rally's going on around that time.

 

[Joseph Hart]

I bet if we show up in thousands without permit they will not turn us down from a protest. Getting permits means that they are preparing for whatever the protest is for. In our case it can be very threatening. Unfortunately Ron Paul Campaign is not hosting and not getting the permits for the march. Why is this bad? Some random @55hole can get the permit and over rule our Revolution march. Its sad now that there is that possibility.

 

[Primbs]

I have seen and done many protests and demonstrations. Most of the rank and file police are just trying to make sure no two groups try to grab the same spot on the same day. Or that two opposing groups keep their distance from each other so that no violence breaks out.

They see many demonstrations a year. They are just trying to make sure nothing gets wrecked and that there is somebody accountable. Otherwise, many of these guys are very non political.

Their main concern is that nobody gets hurt and nothing gets broken. Depending on the size of the group and cops attitude you can get by without a permit in certain instances.

It is just more paperwork they won't have to process. However, if you are talking thousands of people, they will want to know who to go to if something gets broken.

I thought somebody already had the permits. So is it really an issue?

 

[christagious]

So is it really an issue?

Not really, I was just wondering how people felt about the idea of permits to assemble. I'm not suggesting that we have a march without permits because there'd probably be a lot of negative blowback from that. I was just trying to understand this whole "permit thing"

 

[Primbs]

I been in demos where if you go up to an officer on duty and say me and ten buddies are going to protest, the officer will say sure go ahead. They might ask you if "Do you plan to do anything that might get you arrested or will this be a peaceful march?"

Many people go to the White House or embassies to get arrested and get on TV. So they ask just so they know if they have to do anything day.

If you show up with hundreds or thousands without a permit, then they will get picky. There are simple crowd control issues. They want to make sure they have enough manpower in case the protesters do something funny or another group tries to break up a protest.

In the last couple of years, there were some protesters who decided to spray paint part of the capitol infrastructure. They don't take to kindly to property destruction.