Perhaps this is what Ron Paul–style national security would look like

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Perhaps this is what Ron Paul–style national security would look like

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/bradley1.html

This is what the Founding Fathers envisioned when they called for a robust militia, strong protection of the right to bear arms, and warned against standing armies. With the removal of the false assurances provided by the security state, Americans will need to take responsibility for their own security – personal security; we should follow the fine example the Swiss have set, an example that inspired our own revolutionary founders.

Perhaps this is what Ron Paul–style national security would look like.

Author: Nick Bradley is an analyst in the United States Air Force and is currently pursuing an M.A. in Strategic Intelligence at American Military University.
 
Very interesting read

Blackwater scares me though, the guy who created that company, his beliefs are a little extreme

but I do like the idea of Swiss style defense
 
I have a view different from my most....

My position is a country that has nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver Nuclear weapons anywhere on the planet does NOT need a large army for defense.......

If a country attacked someone like US....we could NUKE em out of existence...and the citizens who were here could deal with the invading force.....especially in a country like ours where the citizens have the RIGHTS to bear arms....

The only reason we could need a HUGE military is to police the world....which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL....

We have NUKES

We can DELIVER OUR NUKES TO ANY PLACE ON THE PLANET....

We have a STRONG DEFENSE....

We Don't need a STRONG OFFENSE BECAUSE IT IS UNCONSTITIONAL....We are not invaders (Well at least before the neocons)....we are the DEFENDERS.........

Our military exists to DEFEND us.......NOT for NATION BUILDING AND FORCING OUR VIEWS ON OTHERS......

My personal belief is once one country starts throwing nukes on another country....

NONE OF US WILL BE LEFT......
 
That's how I feel... about the nukes and all.


And most countries knwo we have them... we really have no need to be afraid.

We need a strong navy, to protect our ships from piracy, however.
 
How do you bomb a technique like terrorism? It's not a country, it's individual nut-jobs who do stupid things. No one from here on out is going to wage all out war, they are going to throw out the nut-jobs for money to bomb people and arm them for a private war.

This way the enemy cannot be declared. Our war of foreign aggression in the Middle East is the exact opposite approach: declare war against a non-aggressor and make them attack you and THEN call them your enemy.
 
How do you bomb a technique like terrorism? It's not a country, it's individual nut-jobs who do stupid things. No one from here on out is going to wage all out war, they are going to throw out the nut-jobs for money to bomb people and arm them for a private war.

This way the enemy cannot be declared. Our war of foreign aggression in the Middle East is the exact opposite approach: declare war against a non-aggressor and make them attack you and THEN call them your enemy.

What point are you trying to make....back up your assertions with FACTS
 
What point are you trying to make....back up your assertions with FACTS

Iraq was a non-aggressor. We invaded their land and they attacked us. Now we have labelled the factions who are against our occupation as "enemies" of the United States.

Iran is next if we don't get Dr. Paul elected.
 
Mike, for vague targets, use letter of marque

How do you bomb a technique like terrorism? It's not a country, it's individual nut-jobs who do stupid things. No one from here on out is going to wage all out war, they are going to throw out the nut-jobs for money to bomb people and arm them for a private war.

The answer is right there in the constitution that says that congress has power to issue letter of marque and reprisal.

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2001/pr101101.htm

Paul Offers President New Tool in the War on Terrorism


Washington, DC: Congressman Ron Paul today presented Congress with the "Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001," legislation designed to give President Bush an additional tool in the fight against terrorism. He also introduced legislation that changes the federal definition of "piracy" to include air piracy.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal when a precise declaration of war is impossible due to the vagueness of the enemy. Paul's bill would allow Congress to authorize the President to specifically target Bin Laden and his associates using non-government armed forces. Since it is nearly impossible for U.S. intelligence teams to get close to Bin Laden, the marque and reprisal approach creates an incentive for people in Afghanistan or elsewhere to turn him over to the U.S.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/sept_11/hr3076_ih.htm
 
My brother in-law used to be a cop, and was involved with nuclear weapon 'relocation'. They move them around all of the time. He said that we have so many nuclear weapons that almost everyone passes one everyday somehow, as in when driving on interstates.

We have no reason to be worried about being attacked, it is such a farce. He said nobody in their right mind would attack us. With that amount of nuclear weapons, I would have to agree.

We have more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world does combined.

As for individual extremists, Ron Paul's program is the only sane idea. We could use it on our own gov't extremists who are destroying lives and countries, that would be a day for celebration! I can only imagine the hatred towards the US, oh but they just loved being killed, mamed, starved, and homeless!
 
We Don't need a STRONG OFFENSE BECAUSE IT IS UNCONSTITIONAL....We are not invaders (Well at least before the neocons)

Although the Neocons have pushed this farther than anyone else, don't forget that democrats started the invasion foreign policy with Clinton and Kosovo, Johnson and Vietnam, Truman and Korea.

I'm not by any means defending the neocons because I abhor their policies. However we also need to recruit disenfranchised democrats as well as republicans. There is no democrat who has the non interventionalist credebility as Ron Paul.
 
I have a view different from my most....

My position is a country that has nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver Nuclear weapons anywhere on the planet does NOT need a large army for defense.......

If a country attacked someone like US....we could NUKE em out of existence...and the citizens who were here could deal with the invading force.....especially in a country like ours where the citizens have the RIGHTS to bear arms....

The only reason we could need a HUGE military is to police the world....which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL....

We have NUKES

We can DELIVER OUR NUKES TO ANY PLACE ON THE PLANET....

We have a STRONG DEFENSE....

We Don't need a STRONG OFFENSE BECAUSE IT IS UNCONSTITIONAL....We are not invaders (Well at least before the neocons)....we are the DEFENDERS.........

Our military exists to DEFEND us.......NOT for NATION BUILDING AND FORCING OUR VIEWS ON OTHERS......

My personal belief is once one country starts throwing nukes on another country....

NONE OF US WILL BE LEFT......

I remember a story L Fletcher Prouty wrote about. He said he was in the first class of students at the War College to be given nukes in the annual wargames, which plays the students against the faculty. He said the wargame usually takes days but this one was over in just a few minutes. The moment an attack began the students lined up a picket fence of tactical nukes along the enemys advancing front. Then they placed a nuke anywhere the enemy was able to break out. They had to stop the game because it was over. They studied it and other such wargames and concluded that war is essentially obsolete. He said this resulted in a transformation of the military and war doctrines. And nobody wanted to fight WW3. The neocons are frigging crazy!
 
I love this part in the article, where Jefferson's words ring true to this day.

In reaction, the Swiss peasantry demanded a return to previous levels of taxation and an end to inflation, which Swiss authorities refused to do. As a result, an armed Swiss peasant revolt swept through the country, forcing authorities to eventually accede to their demands.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson
 
Although the Neocons have pushed this farther than anyone else, don't forget that democrats started the invasion foreign policy with Clinton and Kosovo, Johnson and Vietnam, Truman and Korea.

I'm not by any means defending the neocons because I abhor their policies. However we also need to recruit disenfranchised democrats as well as republicans. There is no democrat who has the non interventionalist credebility as Ron Paul.

Great point RJB! May I ad that Ron Paul has a higher potential to attract real anti war Democrats more than any other Republican candidate? Not the anti Republican war Democrats, the real anti war Democrats who are in their hearts non interventionists. There are lots of Republican non interventionists out there too.
 
America has the ability to nuke enemies out of exsistence but enemy countries also have the power to nuke America out of exsistence. I would have thought the attempt to put Missile Defence Systems in Eastern Europe and Asia kind of confirmed that fact. America's Nuclear Weapons no longer mean that they are safe from attack and I'm sorry but militias are not the answer to that.

The whole idea of an armed population was a good one in the days that the Constitution was first drawn up. That was before the days of an effective police force. In the days where the only way a population could defend themselves from robbers and other criminals was firearms. However the Chinese army - for example - is a whole different kettle of fish to the local gang of baddies.

A decent sized army as a defensive force serves a purpose. Especially in a world where armies are constantly being upgraded to attack more quickly and with more stealth. Considering the fact that America is almost single handly funding the biggest threat to the safety of the entire world I would have thought they would realise a decent sized army is a must.

The idea of militias is a good one and I'm not saying in a country like America small, elite and some what controlled militias could be a vital source of protection to local communities should the worst happen but to rely on these militias to defend a country hated universally is pretty stupid in my opinion...
 
There are lots of Republican non interventionists out there too.

Alas, polls only about 25% of republicans oppose the war in Iraq. To get the nomination, RP needs basically all of them. Sidenote: does that sound too low to you? If it does, get some people registered!

The answer is right there in the constitution that says that congress has power to issue letter of marque and reprisal.

Constitution?!! Everyone knows that 9/11 changed everything and the only way America will survive the terrorists and the gay people is to ignore the Constitution completely, from now on. We need a federal government with a "totality" of power to sorta, I dunno, kinda "dictate" what the law means and what rights people have. Vote Clinton/Giuliani '08!

(Bonus points: at what point did you realize that was a joke?)
 
The whole idea of an armed population was a good one in the days that the Constitution was first drawn up. That was before the days of an effective police force.

By using the logic above (in bold), then it could be argued that the idea of an armed population is still a good idea. I mean no disrespect to the local police and sherriff deputies, but our public servants are not effective at extending protection to an individual. Granted, in the neighborhood I live in now I see a policeman every ten minutes. This actually makes me have my firearms a little more readily available than not. Also, back home in small town Georgia, I don't think I've ever personally seen a sherriff deputy on patrol. Granted, I have only vististed for a couple of weeks at a time, and that time was generally filled with some form of work at the house. Due to the fact that it would take a deputy several minutes (probably double digit minutes) to arrive on the scene at my family's house, a firearm is necessary there as well. If my parents' only means of defense was a telephone...well, you get the picture.

In the days where the only way a population could defend themselves from robbers and other criminals was firearms. However the Chinese army - for example - is a whole different kettle of fish to the local gang of baddies.

While this is true, I think that the Chinese army is largely a non-issue. They aren't flying over, and they certainly aren't going to sail their army over. Our navy would be in the record books for killing the most enemies in the shortest amount of time. Any invading army's chance at attacking the USA with any measure of success would be to first take over Mexico, and attack us from there. Where our government has already proven that they don't know anything about homeland security. But even then, you have Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. Good luck sending an army through that. Not to mention that an American insurgency would make the Iraq quagmire look like a boy scout picnic at Yellowstone.

A decent sized army as a defensive force serves a purpose. Especially in a world where armies are constantly being upgraded to attack more quickly and with more stealth. Considering the fact that America is almost single handly funding the biggest threat to the safety of the entire world I would have thought they would realise a decent sized army is a must.

I would agree that a defensive army would be necessary. The defensive army's sole purpose should be training and preparing for a homeland invasion. I guess you could say like the Spartans.

The idea of militias is a good one and I'm not saying in a country like America small, elite and some what controlled militias could be a vital source of protection to local communities should the worst happen but to rely on these militias to defend a country hated universally is pretty stupid in my opinion...

Anything resembling governmental control on a militia is destructive to the intent of the militia. One of the puposes of the militia is to overthrow a tyrannical government. Any governmental control would render this duty pretty much moot. The National Guard is an example. They are used as a coercive arm of the state to enforce the laws of the government. The militia can elect their own leaders. They can take care of themselves, period. The average citizen has NOTHING to fear from the militia, but politicians should go to sleep thinking "have I done anything today that will get me shot tomorrow".

Relying on the militia to defend a country like the US probably wouldn't be the best idea at first. It may catch on, it may not. Honestly, with our military spread all over the world, that is pretty much what we're left with anyway. The militia could assist a defensive army very well, though. They would have much more knowledge of the local area than an army could hope to have and so on.
 
First of all I want to say that this is NOT Ron Paul's idea of national security. When asked on the Daily Show if he wanted to privatize the military he said NO! The quote below is pretty scary...

"If foreign retaliation was necessary after a terrorist or military attack, private military companies (PMCs), such as Blackwater USA or Triple Canopy, could rapidly expand their force strength by hiring local militia units and collecting financial contributions from corporations and patriots."

Are you kidding me? We've already seen how ineffective and corrupt private military companies like Blackwater are. First of all these "SOLDiers" are there for money $$$ and only for money. LETS CALL THESE COMPANIES FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE; MERCENARIES. I may support our troops, but I do not support these individuals. I have no sympathy for them and there is no honor in what they do. These companies flout the law, expressing no accountability for their actions. The MSM makes it a point to avoid the more specific word mercenaries, but rather calls them contractors.

You can view a great video on Blackwater at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8

Aside from that many of their employees aren't even American citizens, but are foreigners. Do you trust foreigners protecting your country? I do not, just as much as I don't trust the push for fast tracking illegal immigrants to join our overstretched armed forces right now.

The idea that money buys you better secretary disgusts me. I like how the article completely ignores the lower class. All American citizens deserve equal protection. My idea of a Ron Paul military is one that is scaled back, giving priority to the National Guard. It really is disappointing to hear about how the National Guard is being used as another pool of soldiers for deployment in foreign missions. I personally know someone who enlisted in the National Guard only to now be called on to serve in Iraq, WTF is that?
 
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The whole idea of an armed population was a good one in the days that the Constitution was first drawn up.

A heavily armed citizenry could probably effectively hold back an invasion long enough for the actual armed forces of our nation to respond.

Also, we have gun rights not just for defense from criminal individuals, but also from criminal organizations such as the government if it ever comes to that, which I hope it won't.
 
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